From seanegan at gmail.com  Fri Nov  3 16:00:08 2006
From: seanegan at gmail.com (Sean Egan)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 13:00:08 -0800
Subject: [Board] Banking
Message-ID: <e61d333f0611031300q7a02ca7bka479d5e4e0769e81@mail.gmail.com>

After we all agreed to open an account at Bank of America, I
discovered that it is next to impossible to open an account in
Washington state. Washington requires that I have a license to
practice business in Washington, which isn't something we wanted to
have to deal with.

The lawyers called BoA and found out I could open an account over the
phone in Delaware and than access it from Washington. However, it
turned out that DE is one of the few states that we can't open an
account over the phone in.

I looked at every national bank in Seattle, and not one of them had
branches in Delaware.

The lawyers said it was ok to get an account anywhere, so I asked
Ethan to see if we could get an account in Indiana without a license.
He went to CharterOne this morning, equipped with our incorporation
papers and EIN (like a social security number for corporations), and
determined it is possible to get an account.

Since we need to start paying people real soon, I propose we open an
account in Indiana as soon as possible, and nominate Ethan as our new
treasurer. Any nay's?

-Sean.

From seanegan at gmail.com  Fri Nov  3 16:37:41 2006
From: seanegan at gmail.com (Sean Egan)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 13:37:41 -0800
Subject: [Board] Banking
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On 11/3/06, Nathan Walp <faceprint at faceprint.com> wrote:
> I'd rather see us use a bank that is in more than 4 states, or at least
> in states that more than one of us live in.  I use Wachovia, but that
> seems to be just the east-coast states plus Texas.

Outside of the midwest, CharterOne is known as Citizens Bank.

> Can Ethan open a BoA account from Indiana?

He could not; there were no BoAs near him. In fact, the only bank in
the middle of our Venn diagram was Wells Fargo, and that's far from
him.

It turns out there are very few coast-to-coast banks.

From faceprint at faceprint.com  Fri Nov  3 16:30:59 2006
From: faceprint at faceprint.com (Nathan Walp)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 16:30:59 -0500
Subject: [Board] Banking
In-Reply-To: <e61d333f0611031300q7a02ca7bka479d5e4e0769e81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61d333f0611031300q7a02ca7bka479d5e4e0769e81@mail.gmail.com>
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Sean Egan wrote:
> After we all agreed to open an account at Bank of America, I
> discovered that it is next to impossible to open an account in
> Washington state. Washington requires that I have a license to
> practice business in Washington, which isn't something we wanted to
> have to deal with.
> 
> The lawyers called BoA and found out I could open an account over the
> phone in Delaware and than access it from Washington. However, it
> turned out that DE is one of the few states that we can't open an
> account over the phone in.
> 
> I looked at every national bank in Seattle, and not one of them had
> branches in Delaware.
> 
> The lawyers said it was ok to get an account anywhere, so I asked
> Ethan to see if we could get an account in Indiana without a license.
> He went to CharterOne this morning, equipped with our incorporation
> papers and EIN (like a social security number for corporations), and
> determined it is possible to get an account.
> 
> Since we need to start paying people real soon, I propose we open an
> account in Indiana as soon as possible, and nominate Ethan as our new
> treasurer. Any nay's?

I'd rather see us use a bank that is in more than 4 states, or at least 
in states that more than one of us live in.  I use Wachovia, but that 
seems to be just the east-coast states plus Texas.

Can Ethan open a BoA account from Indiana?  If not, I can at least try 
to open one in Virginia (or hell, I can pretty easily try Tennesee or 
North Caronlina from here as well).

-Nathan

From eblanton at cs.ohiou.edu  Fri Nov  3 16:56:34 2006
From: eblanton at cs.ohiou.edu (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:56:34 -0500
Subject: [Board] Banking
In-Reply-To: <e61d333f0611031337w7302bfcbse02492217a880eeb@mail.gmail.com>
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Sean Egan spake unto us the following wisdom:
> On 11/3/06, Nathan Walp <faceprint at faceprint.com> wrote:
> > I'd rather see us use a bank that is in more than 4 states, or at least
> > in states that more than one of us live in.  I use Wachovia, but that
> > seems to be just the east-coast states plus Texas.
> 
> Outside of the midwest, CharterOne is known as Citizens Bank.

This is a concern.  However, as Sean can tell you, we spent some time
trying to find a bank which had physical presence in both the midwest
and the northwest, and failed; I suspect that many regions will have
this problem.  As Sean points out, CharterOne is also Citizens Bank,
which covers most of the midwest and a good portion of the East.
Other options are Chase (which I hate, and charges ridiculous fees for
standard services), 5/3, and a set of banks which are much smaller
than either of these or Charter One.  I was shocked to find out that
there's really not such a thing as a national bank.

Another point is that we're not married to this bank forever; we can
change banking institutions in the future if the circumstances demand
it.

Ethan

-- 
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws [that have no remedy
for evils].  They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor
determined to commit crimes.
		-- Cesare Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishments", 1764
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From seanegan at gmail.com  Sun Nov  5 16:30:45 2006
From: seanegan at gmail.com (Sean Egan)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:30:45 -0800
Subject: [Board] Banking
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i just want to make sure we have some sort of consensus on this. Mark
Doliner says it's ok with him. Nathan has a valid concern (is that
addressed, or do you still want to look elsewhere). Anyone else?

-s.

From mark at kingant.net  Sun Nov  5 16:41:22 2006
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 16:41:22 -0500
Subject: [Board] Banking
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On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:30:45 -0800, Sean Egan wrote
> i just want to make sure we have some sort of consensus on this. Mark
> Doliner says it's ok with him. Nathan has a valid concern (is that
> addressed, or do you still want to look elsewhere). Anyone else?

Have we actually tried setting up an Bank of America account in Delaware over
the phone?  They say they don't do that... but it couldn't hurt to try, right?
 Maybe we could find a friendly person working at a branch somewhere that
would do it for us?

It seems like that would solve everyone's concerns.

-Mark

From seanegan at gmail.com  Sun Nov  5 16:44:48 2006
From: seanegan at gmail.com (Sean Egan)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:44:48 -0800
Subject: [Board] Banking
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On 11/5/06, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
> Have we actually tried setting up an Bank of America account in Delaware over
> the phone?  They say they don't do that... but it couldn't hurt to try, right?
>  Maybe we could find a friendly person working at a branch somewhere that
> would do it for us?

I was unclear. They *said* they did it when the lawyers spoke with
them, but when I tried, I was told that they didn't. They can setup
accounts over the phone in other states, but not yet in DE.

-s.

From elb at psg.com  Sun Nov  5 19:43:29 2006
From: elb at psg.com (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 19:43:29 -0500
Subject: [Board] Banking
In-Reply-To: <20061105213846.M30811@kingant.net>
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Mark Doliner spake unto us the following wisdom:
> On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:30:45 -0800, Sean Egan wrote
> > i just want to make sure we have some sort of consensus on this. Mark
> > Doliner says it's ok with him. Nathan has a valid concern (is that
> > addressed, or do you still want to look elsewhere). Anyone else?
> 
> Have we actually tried setting up an Bank of America account in Delaware over
> the phone?  They say they don't do that... but it couldn't hurt to try, right?
>  Maybe we could find a friendly person working at a branch somewhere that
> would do it for us?
> 
> It seems like that would solve everyone's concerns.

Honestly, it just *moves* the concerns.  I don't have a BoA here.

Ethan

-- 
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws [that have no remedy
for evils].  They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor
determined to commit crimes.
		-- Cesare Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishments", 1764
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From lschiere at users.sf.net  Mon Nov  6 07:53:24 2006
From: lschiere at users.sf.net (Luke Schierer)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 07:53:24 -0500
Subject: [Board] Banking
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Message-ID: <20061106125324.GA28275@pidgin.im>

On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 01:00:08PM -0800, Sean Egan wrote:
> After we all agreed to open an account at Bank of America, I
> discovered that it is next to impossible to open an account in
> Washington state. Washington requires that I have a license to
> practice business in Washington, which isn't something we wanted to
> have to deal with.
> 
> The lawyers called BoA and found out I could open an account over the
> phone in Delaware and than access it from Washington. However, it
> turned out that DE is one of the few states that we can't open an
> account over the phone in.
> 
> I looked at every national bank in Seattle, and not one of them had
> branches in Delaware.
> 
> The lawyers said it was ok to get an account anywhere, so I asked
> Ethan to see if we could get an account in Indiana without a license.
> He went to CharterOne this morning, equipped with our incorporation
> papers and EIN (like a social security number for corporations), and
> determined it is possible to get an account.
> 
> Since we need to start paying people real soon, I propose we open an
> account in Indiana as soon as possible, and nominate Ethan as our new
> treasurer. Any nay's?
> 
> -Sean.

Banks tend to be fairly regional, we are fairly spread out.  This is
unavoidable.  Go ahead with the CharterOne bank and Ethan as treasurer.

luke

From faceprint at faceprint.com  Mon Nov  6 09:53:20 2006
From: faceprint at faceprint.com (Nathan Walp)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:53:20 -0500
Subject: [Board] Banking
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Sean Egan wrote:
> i just want to make sure we have some sort of consensus on this. Mark
> Doliner says it's ok with him. Nathan has a valid concern (is that
> addressed, or do you still want to look elsewhere). Anyone else?
> 

I was just bringing it up.  No real objection from me.

From seanegan at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 19:24:47 2006
From: seanegan at gmail.com (Sean Egan)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:24:47 -0800
Subject: [Board] Three issues to vote on
Message-ID: <e61d333f0611211624v3fffc3e1if0550f782aed59a5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi board,

I've decided we should start getting down to some official business.
I've written three proposals for us to vote on. I tried to sound nice
and offiicial, but they're doubtlessly incomplete and vague :) I'll
get better at this.

Barring any objections to the process, e-mail voting will end 12:00AM
EST on November 28, 2006. This is approximately one week. The
Secretary will record the votes as received via e-mail. Provided a
quorum of 4 directors have submitted votes by the deadline, these
measures will be enacted by majority vote.


Credit Card Processing Proposal

This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.

Abstract

Article II of the by-laws of Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc., lists as
on of the corporation's purposes:

To solicit, collect and otherwise raise money and to expend such funds
in furtherance of the goals and activities of the Corporation;

To facilitate this goal, it is proposed that Instant Messaging
Freedom, Inc. accept donations on its webpage, http://pidgin.im, by
opening an account with Pinnacle Processing Group in Seattle, WA.

Proposal

I have been assured that the rates we've been offered are unspeakably
competitive; they are being offered pretty much at-cost. In addition
to unavoidable Visa and Mastercard fees, each transaction will cost
$0.10 plus .05%.

Additionally, there is a $10 monthly fee and an additional $5 minimum
(if the processing company doesn't make $5 off the monthly
per-transaction fees, they bill us up to that).

Alternatives

The $10-$15 monthly fee may be problematic to this plan; the low rates
may be irrelevant if we do not have enough volume in transactions to
cover the monthly minimum fees.

Other serivces, notably PayPal and Google Checkouts, do not have
minimum fees and have users donate through their own sites (on PayPal,
at least, you can upgrade to have the donation page on pidgin.im, for
a $20/mo fee). These services impose higher per-transaction fees.

I propose that, since we're likely to generate a large volume of
donations in our first few months, before tapering down, and the
cancellation fee with Pinnacle Processing Group is waived, that we
take advantage of the lower per-transaction fees for as long as it is
cost-feasible, by opening an account with Pinnacle Processing Group.




Incidental Expenses Proposal

This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.

Abstract

Orders and resolutions of the board often result in incidental
expenses unforseen in the original proposal, including office supplies
such as envelopes and postage. It is proposed that officers be duly
authorized to charge such expenses to the Corporation.

Proposal

The board shall authorize incidental expenses not to exceed $20 to be
charged as needed by officers of the corporation to enact orders and
resolutions of the board of directors. These incidental charges shall
include office supplies such as paper, envelopes, and postage.
Directors who make such charges are required to report their charges
to the Treasurer, who will record the expense and reimburse the
officer as appropriate.






Adium Proposal

This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.

Abstract

As stated in Article II of the corporation's by-laws, it is the
purpose of Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. to foster and promote the
development of free and open-source software.

Adium X is widely considered the best free IM client for OS X, and
they are a major contributor to Gaim. As Adium would benefit from
organization under Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc., that its lead
developer is on our board of directors, and that Adium is already
using the corporation's tax exempt status, it is proposed that they be
invited to join.

Proposal

We shall invite Adium to become a project of Instant Messaging
Freedom, Inc. If they accept, they shall be able to use the
corporation as needed for the following reasons (and others):
- Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. will be able to raise funds for
Adium. A fund will be created, devoted to Adium. Money raised on the
Adium webpage will be deposited to this fund, and those funds will be
used solely to promote Adium development
- Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. will be the legal entity responsible
for Adium development, providing limited liability for Adium
developers

Apart from fiscal matters, the day-to-day operations of Adium
development will not be affected by this change. That control will
remain in the hands of the current Adium developers.

From seanegan at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 19:25:22 2006
From: seanegan at gmail.com (Sean Egan)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:25:22 -0800
Subject: [Board] Three issues to vote on
In-Reply-To: <e61d333f0611211624v3fffc3e1if0550f782aed59a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61d333f0611211624v3fffc3e1if0550f782aed59a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e61d333f0611211625r139fbdeewfc657f25174ba1ec@mail.gmail.com>

Luke, I vote YES on these three proposals.

-s.

On 11/21/06, Sean Egan <seanegan at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi board,
>
> I've decided we should start getting down to some official business.
> I've written three proposals for us to vote on. I tried to sound nice
> and offiicial, but they're doubtlessly incomplete and vague :) I'll
> get better at this.
>
> Barring any objections to the process, e-mail voting will end 12:00AM
> EST on November 28, 2006. This is approximately one week. The
> Secretary will record the votes as received via e-mail. Provided a
> quorum of 4 directors have submitted votes by the deadline, these
> measures will be enacted by majority vote.
>
>
> Credit Card Processing Proposal
>
> This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
> Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.
>
> Abstract
>
> Article II of the by-laws of Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc., lists as
> on of the corporation's purposes:
>
> To solicit, collect and otherwise raise money and to expend such funds
> in furtherance of the goals and activities of the Corporation;
>
> To facilitate this goal, it is proposed that Instant Messaging
> Freedom, Inc. accept donations on its webpage, http://pidgin.im, by
> opening an account with Pinnacle Processing Group in Seattle, WA.
>
> Proposal
>
> I have been assured that the rates we've been offered are unspeakably
> competitive; they are being offered pretty much at-cost. In addition
> to unavoidable Visa and Mastercard fees, each transaction will cost
> $0.10 plus .05%.
>
> Additionally, there is a $10 monthly fee and an additional $5 minimum
> (if the processing company doesn't make $5 off the monthly
> per-transaction fees, they bill us up to that).
>
> Alternatives
>
> The $10-$15 monthly fee may be problematic to this plan; the low rates
> may be irrelevant if we do not have enough volume in transactions to
> cover the monthly minimum fees.
>
> Other serivces, notably PayPal and Google Checkouts, do not have
> minimum fees and have users donate through their own sites (on PayPal,
> at least, you can upgrade to have the donation page on pidgin.im, for
> a $20/mo fee). These services impose higher per-transaction fees.
>
> I propose that, since we're likely to generate a large volume of
> donations in our first few months, before tapering down, and the
> cancellation fee with Pinnacle Processing Group is waived, that we
> take advantage of the lower per-transaction fees for as long as it is
> cost-feasible, by opening an account with Pinnacle Processing Group.
>
>
>
>
> Incidental Expenses Proposal
>
> This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
> Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.
>
> Abstract
>
> Orders and resolutions of the board often result in incidental
> expenses unforseen in the original proposal, including office supplies
> such as envelopes and postage. It is proposed that officers be duly
> authorized to charge such expenses to the Corporation.
>
> Proposal
>
> The board shall authorize incidental expenses not to exceed $20 to be
> charged as needed by officers of the corporation to enact orders and
> resolutions of the board of directors. These incidental charges shall
> include office supplies such as paper, envelopes, and postage.
> Directors who make such charges are required to report their charges
> to the Treasurer, who will record the expense and reimburse the
> officer as appropriate.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Adium Proposal
>
> This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
> Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.
>
> Abstract
>
> As stated in Article II of the corporation's by-laws, it is the
> purpose of Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. to foster and promote the
> development of free and open-source software.
>
> Adium X is widely considered the best free IM client for OS X, and
> they are a major contributor to Gaim. As Adium would benefit from
> organization under Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc., that its lead
> developer is on our board of directors, and that Adium is already
> using the corporation's tax exempt status, it is proposed that they be
> invited to join.
>
> Proposal
>
> We shall invite Adium to become a project of Instant Messaging
> Freedom, Inc. If they accept, they shall be able to use the
> corporation as needed for the following reasons (and others):
> - Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. will be able to raise funds for
> Adium. A fund will be created, devoted to Adium. Money raised on the
> Adium webpage will be deposited to this fund, and those funds will be
> used solely to promote Adium development
> - Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. will be the legal entity responsible
> for Adium development, providing limited liability for Adium
> developers
>
> Apart from fiscal matters, the day-to-day operations of Adium
> development will not be affected by this change. That control will
> remain in the hands of the current Adium developers.
>

From lschiere at users.sf.net  Tue Nov 21 20:15:41 2006
From: lschiere at users.sf.net (Luke Schierer)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:15:41 -0500
Subject: [Board] Three issues to vote on
In-Reply-To: <e61d333f0611211624v3fffc3e1if0550f782aed59a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61d333f0611211624v3fffc3e1if0550f782aed59a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061122011541.GB4008@pidgin.im>

I vote yes on all 3 proposals:
Credit Cards
Incidental expenses up to $20
Adium

luke

From seanegan at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 21:09:39 2006
From: seanegan at gmail.com (Sean Egan)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:09:39 -0800
Subject: [Board] Three issues to vote on
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References: <e61d333f0611211624v3fffc3e1if0550f782aed59a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061122011541.GB4008@pidgin.im>
Message-ID: <e61d333f0611211809i4e598722t985fe285ec16ba87@mail.gmail.com>

I would actually like to change the incidental expenses proposal to
cover expenses up to $50. It dawned on me on my drive home that bank
fees for wire transfers at CharterOne cost us $33, and those should be
covered.

Luke, please re-vote on that one.

-s.

On 11/21/06, Luke Schierer <lschiere at users.sf.net> wrote:
> I vote yes on all 3 proposals:
> Credit Cards
> Incidental expenses up to $20
> Adium
>
> luke
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>

From elb at psg.com  Tue Nov 21 21:46:40 2006
From: elb at psg.com (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:46:40 -0500
Subject: [Board] Three issues to vote on
In-Reply-To: <e61d333f0611211809i4e598722t985fe285ec16ba87@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61d333f0611211624v3fffc3e1if0550f782aed59a5@mail.gmail.com>
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Sean Egan spake unto us the following wisdom:
> I would actually like to change the incidental expenses proposal to
> cover expenses up to $50. It dawned on me on my drive home that bank
> fees for wire transfers at CharterOne cost us $33, and those should be
> covered.

For the sake of correctness, I would like to point out that the final
wire fees were only $25, due to the awesomeness of our account.
However, I would suggest that rather than upping this amount, we say
something to the effect of:

Financial fees of unknown or unspecified amounts incurred through
board-approved transactions at financial institutions with which the
Corporation has a partnership are to be considered approved at the
time of the approval of the transaction, providing that the financial
fees do not exceed $50 or 5% of the transaction cost, whichever is
lesser.  Financial fees exceeding this limit must be approved by the
board of directors before the transaction can be executed.

Ethan

-- 
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws [that have no remedy
for evils].  They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor
determined to commit crimes.
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From evan.s at dreskin.net  Tue Nov 21 21:41:17 2006
From: evan.s at dreskin.net (Evan Schoenberg)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:41:17 -0500
Subject: [Board] Three issues to vote on
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I vote yes on all 3 proposals:
> Credit Cards
> Incidental expenses up to $20
> Adium

Regarding the Adium proposal, I am voting for the proposal as written  
which specifically invites Adium to join.  I'll need to discuss the  
proposal with the other members of the Adium development  team once  
pidgin and IMF Corp. are publicly announced before responding to said  
invitation.

-Evan

From seanegan at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 22:49:37 2006
From: seanegan at gmail.com (Sean Egan)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:49:37 -0800
Subject: [Board] Three issues to vote on
In-Reply-To: <20061122024639.GA10392@elb.elitists.net>
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	<20061122011541.GB4008@pidgin.im>
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On 11/21/06, Ethan Blanton <elb at psg.com> wrote:
> For the sake of correctness, I would like to point out that the final
> wire fees were only $25, due to the awesomeness of our account.
> However, I would suggest that rather than upping this amount, we say
> something to the effect of:
>
> Financial fees of unknown or unspecified amounts incurred through
> board-approved transactions at financial institutions with which the
> Corporation has a partnership are to be considered approved at the
> time of the approval of the transaction, providing that the financial
> fees do not exceed $50 or 5% of the transaction cost, whichever is
> lesser.  Financial fees exceeding this limit must be approved by the
> board of directors before the transaction can be executed.

I'm ok with this. Let's say the new Incidental Expenses proposal is:
Incidental Expenses Proposal

This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.

Abstract

Orders and resolutions of the board often result in incidental
expenses unforseen in the original proposal, including office supplies
such as envelopes and postage. It is proposed that officers be duly
authorized to charge such expenses to the Corporation.

Proposal

The board shall authorize incidental expenses not to exceed $20 to be
charged as needed by officers of the corporation to enact orders and
resolutions of the board of directors. These incidental charges shall
include office supplies such as paper, envelopes, and postage.
Directors who make such charges are required to report their charges
to the Treasurer, who will record the expense and reimburse the
officer as appropriate.

Financial fees of unknown or unspecified amounts incurred through
board-approved transactions at financial institutions with which the
Corporation has a partnership are to be considered approved at the
time of the approval of the transaction, providing that the financial
fees do not exceed $50 or 5% of the transaction cost, whichever is
lesser.  Financial fees exceeding this limit must be approved by the
board of directors before the transaction can be executed.


Luke, please make a note of this, and mark my vote as Yes.

From seanegan at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 23:08:29 2006
From: seanegan at gmail.com (Sean Egan)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:08:29 -0800
Subject: [Board] Three issues to vote on
In-Reply-To: <09E351DA-0FE6-4126-A99A-D4A7CD38D2FD@dreskin.net>
References: <e61d333f0611211624v3fffc3e1if0550f782aed59a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061122011541.GB4008@pidgin.im>
	<09E351DA-0FE6-4126-A99A-D4A7CD38D2FD@dreskin.net>
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On 11/21/06, Evan Schoenberg <evan.s at dreskin.net> wrote:
> I vote yes on all 3 proposals:

Was this just quoting Luke for the sake of e-mail, or just taking
advantage of the fact that he already wrote the message you want to.

> Regarding the Adium proposal, I am voting for the proposal as written
> which specifically invites Adium to join.  I'll need to discuss the
> proposal with the other members of the Adium development  team once
> pidgin and IMF Corp. are publicly announced before responding to said
> invitation.

Since most of the core Adium team already knows about IMF, and you
have a more immediate need for credit card processing and stuff, I
bumped this proposal up to see if you wanted to join before we went
public. If the proposal passes, you'll be invited.

If you guys join, do you think any of you would prefer to keep your
Summer of Code money in the IM Freedom vault? Or should we continue
the payout?

-s.

From elb at psg.com  Tue Nov 21 23:57:12 2006
From: elb at psg.com (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:57:12 -0500
Subject: [Board] Three issues to vote on
In-Reply-To: <e61d333f0611211624v3fffc3e1if0550f782aed59a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61d333f0611211624v3fffc3e1if0550f782aed59a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061122045712.GA11068@elb.elitists.net>

[Scroll down.]

Sean Egan spake unto us the following wisdom:
> Credit Card Processing Proposal
> 
> This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
> Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.
> 
> Abstract
> 
> Article II of the by-laws of Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc., lists as
> on of the corporation's purposes:
> 
> To solicit, collect and otherwise raise money and to expend such funds
> in furtherance of the goals and activities of the Corporation;
> 
> To facilitate this goal, it is proposed that Instant Messaging
> Freedom, Inc. accept donations on its webpage, http://pidgin.im, by
> opening an account with Pinnacle Processing Group in Seattle, WA.
> 
> Proposal
> 
> I have been assured that the rates we've been offered are unspeakably
> competitive; they are being offered pretty much at-cost. In addition
> to unavoidable Visa and Mastercard fees, each transaction will cost
> $0.10 plus .05%.
> 
> Additionally, there is a $10 monthly fee and an additional $5 minimum
> (if the processing company doesn't make $5 off the monthly
> per-transaction fees, they bill us up to that).
> 
> Alternatives
> 
> The $10-$15 monthly fee may be problematic to this plan; the low rates
> may be irrelevant if we do not have enough volume in transactions to
> cover the monthly minimum fees.
> 
> Other serivces, notably PayPal and Google Checkouts, do not have
> minimum fees and have users donate through their own sites (on PayPal,
> at least, you can upgrade to have the donation page on pidgin.im, for
> a $20/mo fee). These services impose higher per-transaction fees.
> 
> I propose that, since we're likely to generate a large volume of
> donations in our first few months, before tapering down, and the
> cancellation fee with Pinnacle Processing Group is waived, that we
> take advantage of the lower per-transaction fees for as long as it is
> cost-feasible, by opening an account with Pinnacle Processing Group.

I approve the opening of a credit card processing account with
Pinnacle Processing Group.

> Incidental Expenses Proposal
> 
> This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
> Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.
> 
> Abstract
> 
> Orders and resolutions of the board often result in incidental
> expenses unforseen in the original proposal, including office supplies
> such as envelopes and postage. It is proposed that officers be duly
> authorized to charge such expenses to the Corporation.
> 
> Proposal
> 
> The board shall authorize incidental expenses not to exceed $20 to be
> charged as needed by officers of the corporation to enact orders and
> resolutions of the board of directors. These incidental charges shall
> include office supplies such as paper, envelopes, and postage.
> Directors who make such charges are required to report their charges
> to the Treasurer, who will record the expense and reimburse the
> officer as appropriate.
>
> Financial fees of unknown or unspecified amounts incurred through 
> board-approved transactions at financial institutions with which the  
> Corporation has a partnership are to be considered approved at the
> time of the approval of the transaction, providing that the financial   
> fees do not exceed $50 or 5% of the transaction cost, whichever is
> lesser.  Financial fees exceeding this limit must be approved by the  
> board of directors before the transaction can be executed.

I approve of the general authorization of purchase of supplies and the
general authorization of financial fees as stated above, which is
amended from Sean's original proposal.

> Adium Proposal
> 
> This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
> Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.
> 
> Abstract
> 
> As stated in Article II of the corporation's by-laws, it is the
> purpose of Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. to foster and promote the
> development of free and open-source software.
> 
> Adium X is widely considered the best free IM client for OS X, and
> they are a major contributor to Gaim. As Adium would benefit from
> organization under Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc., that its lead
> developer is on our board of directors, and that Adium is already
> using the corporation's tax exempt status, it is proposed that they be
> invited to join.
> 
> Proposal
> 
> We shall invite Adium to become a project of Instant Messaging
> Freedom, Inc. If they accept, they shall be able to use the
> corporation as needed for the following reasons (and others):
> - Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. will be able to raise funds for
> Adium. A fund will be created, devoted to Adium. Money raised on the
> Adium webpage will be deposited to this fund, and those funds will be
> used solely to promote Adium development
> - Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. will be the legal entity responsible
> for Adium development, providing limited liability for Adium
> developers
> 
> Apart from fiscal matters, the day-to-day operations of Adium
> development will not be affected by this change. That control will
> remain in the hands of the current Adium developers.

I approve of the invitation of Adium to particpate in Instant
Messaging Freedom, Inc.

Ethan

-- 
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws [that have no remedy
for evils].  They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor
determined to commit crimes.
		-- Cesare Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishments", 1764
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From faceprint at faceprint.com  Wed Nov 22 15:11:32 2006
From: faceprint at faceprint.com (Nathan Walp)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:11:32 -0500
Subject: [Board] Three issues to vote on
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References: <e61d333f0611211624v3fffc3e1if0550f782aed59a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4564AEF4.3050908@faceprint.com>

I vote YES on all three, the credit card proposal, the amended expenses 
($50 or 5% amendment), and the invitation to Adium.

-Nathan Walp

Sean Egan wrote:
> Hi board,
> 
> I've decided we should start getting down to some official business.
> I've written three proposals for us to vote on. I tried to sound nice
> and offiicial, but they're doubtlessly incomplete and vague :) I'll
> get better at this.
> 
> Barring any objections to the process, e-mail voting will end 12:00AM
> EST on November 28, 2006. This is approximately one week. The
> Secretary will record the votes as received via e-mail. Provided a
> quorum of 4 directors have submitted votes by the deadline, these
> measures will be enacted by majority vote.
> 
> 
> Credit Card Processing Proposal
> 
> This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
> Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.
> 
> Abstract
> 
> Article II of the by-laws of Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc., lists as
> on of the corporation's purposes:
> 
> To solicit, collect and otherwise raise money and to expend such funds
> in furtherance of the goals and activities of the Corporation;
> 
> To facilitate this goal, it is proposed that Instant Messaging
> Freedom, Inc. accept donations on its webpage, http://pidgin.im, by
> opening an account with Pinnacle Processing Group in Seattle, WA.
> 
> Proposal
> 
> I have been assured that the rates we've been offered are unspeakably
> competitive; they are being offered pretty much at-cost. In addition
> to unavoidable Visa and Mastercard fees, each transaction will cost
> $0.10 plus .05%.
> 
> Additionally, there is a $10 monthly fee and an additional $5 minimum
> (if the processing company doesn't make $5 off the monthly
> per-transaction fees, they bill us up to that).
> 
> Alternatives
> 
> The $10-$15 monthly fee may be problematic to this plan; the low rates
> may be irrelevant if we do not have enough volume in transactions to
> cover the monthly minimum fees.
> 
> Other serivces, notably PayPal and Google Checkouts, do not have
> minimum fees and have users donate through their own sites (on PayPal,
> at least, you can upgrade to have the donation page on pidgin.im, for
> a $20/mo fee). These services impose higher per-transaction fees.
> 
> I propose that, since we're likely to generate a large volume of
> donations in our first few months, before tapering down, and the
> cancellation fee with Pinnacle Processing Group is waived, that we
> take advantage of the lower per-transaction fees for as long as it is
> cost-feasible, by opening an account with Pinnacle Processing Group.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Incidental Expenses Proposal
> 
> This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
> Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.
> 
> Abstract
> 
> Orders and resolutions of the board often result in incidental
> expenses unforseen in the original proposal, including office supplies
> such as envelopes and postage. It is proposed that officers be duly
> authorized to charge such expenses to the Corporation.
> 
> Proposal
> 
> The board shall authorize incidental expenses not to exceed $20 to be
> charged as needed by officers of the corporation to enact orders and
> resolutions of the board of directors. These incidental charges shall
> include office supplies such as paper, envelopes, and postage.
> Directors who make such charges are required to report their charges
> to the Treasurer, who will record the expense and reimburse the
> officer as appropriate.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Adium Proposal
> 
> This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
> Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.
> 
> Abstract
> 
> As stated in Article II of the corporation's by-laws, it is the
> purpose of Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. to foster and promote the
> development of free and open-source software.
> 
> Adium X is widely considered the best free IM client for OS X, and
> they are a major contributor to Gaim. As Adium would benefit from
> organization under Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc., that its lead
> developer is on our board of directors, and that Adium is already
> using the corporation's tax exempt status, it is proposed that they be
> invited to join.
> 
> Proposal
> 
> We shall invite Adium to become a project of Instant Messaging
> Freedom, Inc. If they accept, they shall be able to use the
> corporation as needed for the following reasons (and others):
> - Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. will be able to raise funds for
> Adium. A fund will be created, devoted to Adium. Money raised on the
> Adium webpage will be deposited to this fund, and those funds will be
> used solely to promote Adium development
> - Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. will be the legal entity responsible
> for Adium development, providing limited liability for Adium
> developers
> 
> Apart from fiscal matters, the day-to-day operations of Adium
> development will not be affected by this change. That control will
> remain in the hands of the current Adium developers.
> _______________________________________________
> Board mailing list
> Board at pidgin.im
> http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/board


From mark at kingant.net  Tue Nov 28 02:12:41 2006
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 02:12:41 -0500
Subject: [Board] Three issues to vote on
In-Reply-To: <e61d333f0611211624v3fffc3e1if0550f782aed59a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61d333f0611211624v3fffc3e1if0550f782aed59a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061128071059.M51252@kingant.net>

I think I may have just missed the voting deadline by two hours (busy week),
but... I vote YES on all three, the credit card proposal, the amended expenses
($50 or 5% amendment), and the invitation to Adium.

-Mark Doliner

From lschiere at users.sf.net  Tue Nov 28 10:12:40 2006
From: lschiere at users.sf.net (Luke Schierer)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:12:40 -0500
Subject: [Board] Three issues to vote on
In-Reply-To: <e61d333f0611211624v3fffc3e1if0550f782aed59a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61d333f0611211624v3fffc3e1if0550f782aed59a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061128151240.GA6021@pidgin.im>

Executive summary:  All 3 proposals reached a quarum of at least 4
directors.  No proposal was voted against, all passed.

Details:

> Credit Card Processing Proposal
> 
> This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
> Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.
> 
> Abstract
> 
> Article II of the by-laws of Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc., lists as
> on of the corporation's purposes:
> 
> To solicit, collect and otherwise raise money and to expend such funds
> in furtherance of the goals and activities of the Corporation;
> 
> To facilitate this goal, it is proposed that Instant Messaging
> Freedom, Inc. accept donations on its webpage, http://pidgin.im, by
> opening an account with Pinnacle Processing Group in Seattle, WA.
> 
> Proposal
> 
> I have been assured that the rates we've been offered are unspeakably
> competitive; they are being offered pretty much at-cost. In addition
> to unavoidable Visa and Mastercard fees, each transaction will cost
> $0.10 plus .05%.
> 
> Additionally, there is a $10 monthly fee and an additional $5 minimum
> (if the processing company doesn't make $5 off the monthly
> per-transaction fees, they bill us up to that).
> 
> Alternatives
> 
> The $10-$15 monthly fee may be problematic to this plan; the low rates
> may be irrelevant if we do not have enough volume in transactions to
> cover the monthly minimum fees.
> 
> Other serivces, notably PayPal and Google Checkouts, do not have
> minimum fees and have users donate through their own sites (on PayPal,
> at least, you can upgrade to have the donation page on pidgin.im, for
> a $20/mo fee). These services impose higher per-transaction fees.
> 
> I propose that, since we're likely to generate a large volume of
> donations in our first few months, before tapering down, and the
> cancellation fee with Pinnacle Processing Group is waived, that we
> take advantage of the lower per-transaction fees for as long as it is
> cost-feasible, by opening an account with Pinnacle Processing Group.

Sean, Ethan, Nathan, and I voted Yes on this proposal.  Evans vote was
unclear, but appears to be Yes.  Mark's vote was 2 hours after close of
polls, but before I officially counted.  His vote was also Yes.

This proposal reached quarum, and passed.


> 
> Incidental Expenses Proposal
> 
> This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
> Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.
> 
> Abstract
> 
> Orders and resolutions of the board often result in incidental
> expenses unforseen in the original proposal, including office supplies
> such as envelopes and postage. It is proposed that officers be duly
> authorized to charge such expenses to the Corporation.
> 
> Proposal
> 
> The board shall authorize incidental expenses not to exceed $20 to be
> charged as needed by officers of the corporation to enact orders and
> resolutions of the board of directors. These incidental charges shall
> include office supplies such as paper, envelopes, and postage.
> Directors who make such charges are required to report their charges
> to the Treasurer, who will record the expense and reimburse the
> officer as appropriate.

This proposal was ammended.  The ammended version shall be addressed
below.  The unammended version did not reach quarum.

> 
> Adium Proposal
> 
> This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
> Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.
> 
> Abstract
> 
> As stated in Article II of the corporation's by-laws, it is the
> purpose of Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. to foster and promote the
> development of free and open-source software.
> 
> Adium X is widely considered the best free IM client for OS X, and
> they are a major contributor to Gaim. As Adium would benefit from
> organization under Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc., that its lead
> developer is on our board of directors, and that Adium is already
> using the corporation's tax exempt status, it is proposed that they be
> invited to join.
> 
> Proposal
> 
> We shall invite Adium to become a project of Instant Messaging
> Freedom, Inc. If they accept, they shall be able to use the
> corporation as needed for the following reasons (and others):
> - Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. will be able to raise funds for
> Adium. A fund will be created, devoted to Adium. Money raised on the
> Adium webpage will be deposited to this fund, and those funds will be
> used solely to promote Adium development
> - Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. will be the legal entity responsible
> for Adium development, providing limited liability for Adium
> developers
> 
> Apart from fiscal matters, the day-to-day operations of Adium
> development will not be affected by this change. That control will
> remain in the hands of the current Adium developers.


Sean, Ethan, Nathan, Evan, and I voted Yes on this proposal.  Mark voted
2 hours after close of polls, but before I officially counted.  He also
voted yes.

This proposal reached quarum and passed.

The ammended budgeting proposal is as follows:

> Incidental Expenses Proposal
>
> This proposal is submitted for a vote to the board of directors of
> Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.
>
> Abstract
>
> Orders and resolutions of the board often result in incidental
> expenses unforseen in the original proposal, including office supplies
> such as envelopes and postage. It is proposed that officers be duly 
> authorized to charge such expenses to the Corporation.
>
> Proposal
>
> The board shall authorize incidental expenses not to exceed $20 to be
> charged as needed by officers of the corporation to enact orders and
> resolutions of the board of directors. These incidental charges shall
> include office supplies such as paper, envelopes, and postage.
> Directors who make such charges are required to report their charges
> to the Treasurer, who will record the expense and reimburse the
> officer as appropriate.
>
> Financial fees of unknown or unspecified amounts incurred through
> board-approved transactions at financial institutions with which the
> Corporation has a partnership are to be considered approved at the
> time of the approval of the transaction, providing that the financial
> fees do not exceed $50 or 5% of the transaction cost, whichever is
> lesser.  Financial fees exceeding this limit must be approved by the
> board of directors before the transaction can be executed. 

Sean, Ethan, Nathan, and I voted yes on this proposal.  Evan's vote was
unclear, but I believe it to be a Yes.  Mark voted 2 hours after close
of polls but before I officially counted.  He also voted yes.

This proposal reached quarum, and passed.

luke

From evan.s at dreskin.net  Tue Nov 28 10:29:59 2006
From: evan.s at dreskin.net (Evan Schoenberg)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:29:59 -0500
Subject: [Board] Three issues to vote on
In-Reply-To: <20061128151240.GA6021@pidgin.im>
References: <e61d333f0611211624v3fffc3e1if0550f782aed59a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061128151240.GA6021@pidgin.im>
Message-ID: <146EFB41-0BE7-4874-96A3-D4209DB0C4CF@dreskin.net>


On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:12 AM, Luke Schierer wrote:

> Evan's vote was unclear, but I believe it to be a Yes.

I intended my vote to be a Yes on all three issues.  Apologies to all  
for any lack of clarity.

I tried to pull up the archives to re-read what I wrote so as to  
avoid being unclear in the future; it appears the board archives  
aren't enabled or aren't set up properly, as http://pidgin.im/ 
pipermail/board/ gives me a 404.

-Evan
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From lschiere at users.sf.net  Tue Nov 28 11:01:30 2006
From: lschiere at users.sf.net (Luke Schierer)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:01:30 -0500
Subject: [Board] Three issues to vote on
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On Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 10:29:59AM -0500, Evan Schoenberg wrote:
> 
> On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:12 AM, Luke Schierer wrote:
> 
> >Evan's vote was unclear, but I believe it to be a Yes.
> 
> I intended my vote to be a Yes on all three issues.  Apologies to all  
> for any lack of clarity.
> 
> I tried to pull up the archives to re-read what I wrote so as to  
> avoid being unclear in the future; it appears the board archives  
> aren't enabled or aren't set up properly, as http://pidgin.im/ 
> pipermail/board/ gives me a 404.
> 
> -Evan

That is fixed now.  "board" is currently considered a "public" list, in
that anyone can view the archives.  Should that change?

I was unclear in counting your vote because it looked like a quote of
mine, and I was unsure you intended to vote the same, or simply tried to
edit out some needless content as you quoted me.

luke

From evan.s at dreskin.net  Tue Nov 28 11:34:17 2006
From: evan.s at dreskin.net (Evan Schoenberg)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:34:17 -0500
Subject: [Board] Three issues to vote on
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On Nov 28, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Luke Schierer wrote:

> That is fixed now.  "board" is currently considered a "public"  
> list, in
> that anyone can view the archives.  Should that change?
I think it should probably be subscribers-only, since we could  
potentially be discussing legal issues, plans which we don't want  
public yet, and so on.

> I was unclear in counting your vote because it looked like a quote of
> mine, and I was unsure you intended to vote the same, or simply  
> tried to
> edit out some needless content as you quoted me.
Ah.  The email read:
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I vote yes on all 3 proposals:
 > Credit Cards
 > Incidental expenses up to $20
 > Adium
----
So I typed the first line and quoted the 3 proposals from your yes- 
vote; perhaps you read all 4 lines as a quote?  I'll avoid quoting  
for voting in the future to keep away from a similar confusion.

-Evan
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