From rekkanoryo at rekkanoryo.org  Mon Mar 25 20:53:00 2019
From: rekkanoryo at rekkanoryo.org (John Bailey)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 20:53:00 -0400
Subject: Annual Meeting
Message-ID: <CALfZOuUaxoUiDNQsz4jreQepE0Yg9r0WSPKPAPvomtcUTokoOw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello fellow board members!

It's now quickly approaching April, and traditionally this is when we hold
our required annual board meeting.  I'd like to decide on a date and agenda
for the meeting.  I can be available any evening from 2200 UTC until 0400
UTC except Thursdays.  I'd prefer also avoiding April 1 due to my work
schedule.  I think April 1 is too soon anyway given our bylaws about
meeting timing and agendas.  I'd suggest we look at April 8 as the earliest
reasonable meeting date.

As for an agenda, I have the following items:
  * Treasurer's report, as usual, including a status update on the transfer
of Treasurer duties from Ethan to Colin
  * Old business:
      * Gary wants to present an update on the address debacle from last
year.
      * Update from Gary and myself on infrastructure (servers, services,
etc.)
      * Gary also wants to present an update on the IMF website and wiki.
I authorized him in May 2018 to pursue a redesign of the site and he
received a fair amount of help from Daniel Reilly (who volunteered on
Gary's twitch stream), but we don't believe anyone other than Gary, Daniel
Reilly, and I have seen it.
  * New business:
      * Election of board members and officers.  Since I haven't heard
otherwise I'm going to assume we want to just re-elect everyone to the same
positions?
      * I'd like to propose IMF disburse $5,000 to Gary to work full time
on Pidgin, Adium, and libpurple for a month.  We'll also need to determine
how to handle this for tax purposes for both Gary and IMF.  I'm assuming
IMF can report this on a 1099-MISC (which would require us to report to the
IRS by 2020-01-30, but that seems doable).  Technically, since I will be
chairing the meeting, I don't think I can actually make the formal
proposal, so if someone else could do that, I would appreciate it.

If anyone else has items for the agenda, please let me know ASAP and I'll
update the list.

Also, please make sure you respond with what days and UTC times work for
you!

Thanks,
John
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From grim at reaperworld.com  Mon Mar 25 20:58:05 2019
From: grim at reaperworld.com (Gary Kramlich)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:58:05 -0500
Subject: Annual Meeting
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On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 7:52 PM John Bailey <rekkanoryo at rekkanoryo.org>
wrote:

> Hello fellow board members!
>

<snip>

Also, please make sure you respond with what days and UTC times work for
> you!
>

I'm available basically whenever.


> Thanks,
> John
>

-- 
Thanks,

Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com>
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From rlaager at pidgin.im  Mon Mar 25 21:12:31 2019
From: rlaager at pidgin.im (Richard Laager)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 20:12:31 -0500
Subject: Annual Meeting
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References: <CALfZOuUaxoUiDNQsz4jreQepE0Yg9r0WSPKPAPvomtcUTokoOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c2706d5-a196-ce4a-2ab8-b5851a53bd1f@pidgin.im>

On 3/25/19 7:53 PM, John Bailey wrote:
> Also, please make sure you respond with what days and UTC times work for
> you!

I'm available more-or-less whenever.

11:00 to 15:00 UTC is probably the worst for me.
15:00 to 05:00 UTC is the best window.

-- 
Richard

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From mathuaerknedam at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 21:42:01 2019
From: mathuaerknedam at gmail.com (Matthew)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 20:42:01 -0500
Subject: Annual Meeting
In-Reply-To: <7c2706d5-a196-ce4a-2ab8-b5851a53bd1f@pidgin.im>
References: <CALfZOuUaxoUiDNQsz4jreQepE0Yg9r0WSPKPAPvomtcUTokoOw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAERx-0Ny6ZsOgc7Vq=cPogv8tj6Z6tm_dBK=qq+6qEqn0qtBiw@mail.gmail.com>

I could meet between 2300 UTC 0300 UTC. April 8 works, and pretty much
any other day until April 26 works for me, with Wednesdays being a
little less favorable. I'll be travelling for work the month after
that, and may not be able to meet.

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 8:12 PM Richard Laager <rlaager at pidgin.im> wrote:
>
> On 3/25/19 7:53 PM, John Bailey wrote:
> > Also, please make sure you respond with what days and UTC times work for
> > you!
>
> I'm available more-or-less whenever.
>
> 11:00 to 15:00 UTC is probably the worst for me.
> 15:00 to 05:00 UTC is the best window.
>
> --
> Richard
>
> _______________________________________________
> Board mailing list
> Board at imfreedom.org
> https://imfreedom.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/board



-- 

Matthew


From relwalretep at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 22:31:48 2019
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 13:31:48 +1100
Subject: Annual Meeting
In-Reply-To: <7c2706d5-a196-ce4a-2ab8-b5851a53bd1f@pidgin.im>
References: <CALfZOuUaxoUiDNQsz4jreQepE0Yg9r0WSPKPAPvomtcUTokoOw@mail.gmail.com>
 <7c2706d5-a196-ce4a-2ab8-b5851a53bd1f@pidgin.im>
Message-ID: <017b3b78-2bd1-f69c-ec66-3cded7fd9022@gmail.com>

On 26/3/19 12:12 pm, Richard Laager wrote:
> On 3/25/19 7:53 PM, John Bailey wrote:
>> Also, please make sure you respond with what days and UTC times work for
>> you!
> 
> I'm available more-or-less whenever.
> 
> 11:00 to 15:00 UTC is probably the worst for me.
> 15:00 to 05:00 UTC is the best window.

Good (UGT) Morning,
I'm currently on UTC+11 but will be UTC+10 from the 7th April at 02:00, 
which is 6th April for those behind the times.

I believe Eion will also -1 UTC offset on the same date but a couple 
hours before me (UTC+12 to +11) he is so clever.

As for actual time, barring unforeseen circumstances I'm 'best' 
available between 23:00 UTC and 08:00 UTC before the 7th, remember 6th 
for most readers, and 00:00 UTC and 09:00 UTC after.

As for agenda...

On 26/3/19 11:53 am, John Bailey wrote:
 > Hello fellow board members!
*snip*
 >        * Gary wants to present an update on the address debacle from
 > last year.
Hi, I'm new to the board. Please refresh my memory ;)
*snip*
 >        * Election of board members and officers.
I'm prepared to need my memory refreshed again (see previous) next year.
 >        * I'd like to propose IMF disburse $5,000 to Gary to work full
 > time on Pidgin, Adium, and libpurple for a month.
I think there's two things here. One, an amount of money for a hacker's 
work for a period of time and the second selecting another party 
(individual or group) as the recipient of such along with what amount of 
time. I want to be clear I'm not opposed to either idea, nor John's 
original on principal. Just think it's possibly two agenda items. By 
splitting it in two I believe it will enable Board Members to discuss 
and contribute to the proposal of disbursement, and then excuse 
themselves from selection process on any possible conflict grounds (ie, 
they'd like to do the hacking), rather than have the Board Member stand 
out the entire procedure. I'd be happy to propose such a two staged 
approach to disbursement.

. I'd like to propose IMF disburse $5,000 to a party (individual or 
group) to work time on Pidgin, Adium, and libpurple for a month.
. I'd like to propose this year that as soon as practical the IMF 
disburses the monies from the previous proposal to Gary, for the 
purposes of 'work(ing) full time* Pidgin, Adium, and libpurple for a month.'

*I have very little comprehension of what defines 'work' and 'full time' 
in the US context. I'm not too sure what is being proposed qualifies as 
work in my country, and use of the phrase full time would endow the 
recipient with other legal entitlements. I must defer some judgment to 
my US board member peers, so if anyone can provide me (better yet, maybe 
this list?) examples of how this works in similar US based hacker 
groups, it'd be appreciated. Don't mean to be a pain, just being dutiful 
as an IMF board member n stuff.


Catch you (UGT) later,


Pete.


From mathuaerknedam at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 23:04:06 2019
From: mathuaerknedam at gmail.com (Matthew)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 22:04:06 -0500
Subject: Annual Meeting
In-Reply-To: <017b3b78-2bd1-f69c-ec66-3cded7fd9022@gmail.com>
References: <CALfZOuUaxoUiDNQsz4jreQepE0Yg9r0WSPKPAPvomtcUTokoOw@mail.gmail.com>
 <7c2706d5-a196-ce4a-2ab8-b5851a53bd1f@pidgin.im>
 <017b3b78-2bd1-f69c-ec66-3cded7fd9022@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAERx-0Myu8Z6Q0E1qZ3o8AcECH=GEaJ=S3znkVnGHM1i=XEOHA@mail.gmail.com>

"Full time" is legally irrelevant to this situation. The quick summary
is that: when someone A gives someone B money (> $600) as compensation
for work performed, and B is not the employee of A, then in January of
the next year A issues B a "1099-misc" and files that with the IRS so
that B is liable for paying taxes on the income.

It's probably more complicated than that, but I can only speak from my
own experience as a freelance worker receiving 1099's and filing my
taxes.


On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 9:32 PM Peter Lawler <relwalretep at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 26/3/19 12:12 pm, Richard Laager wrote:
> > On 3/25/19 7:53 PM, John Bailey wrote:
> >> Also, please make sure you respond with what days and UTC times work for
> >> you!
> >
> > I'm available more-or-less whenever.
> >
> > 11:00 to 15:00 UTC is probably the worst for me.
> > 15:00 to 05:00 UTC is the best window.
>
> Good (UGT) Morning,
> I'm currently on UTC+11 but will be UTC+10 from the 7th April at 02:00,
> which is 6th April for those behind the times.
>
> I believe Eion will also -1 UTC offset on the same date but a couple
> hours before me (UTC+12 to +11) he is so clever.
>
> As for actual time, barring unforeseen circumstances I'm 'best'
> available between 23:00 UTC and 08:00 UTC before the 7th, remember 6th
> for most readers, and 00:00 UTC and 09:00 UTC after.
>
> As for agenda...
>
> On 26/3/19 11:53 am, John Bailey wrote:
>  > Hello fellow board members!
> *snip*
>  >        * Gary wants to present an update on the address debacle from
>  > last year.
> Hi, I'm new to the board. Please refresh my memory ;)
> *snip*
>  >        * Election of board members and officers.
> I'm prepared to need my memory refreshed again (see previous) next year.
>  >        * I'd like to propose IMF disburse $5,000 to Gary to work full
>  > time on Pidgin, Adium, and libpurple for a month.
> I think there's two things here. One, an amount of money for a hacker's
> work for a period of time and the second selecting another party
> (individual or group) as the recipient of such along with what amount of
> time. I want to be clear I'm not opposed to either idea, nor John's
> original on principal. Just think it's possibly two agenda items. By
> splitting it in two I believe it will enable Board Members to discuss
> and contribute to the proposal of disbursement, and then excuse
> themselves from selection process on any possible conflict grounds (ie,
> they'd like to do the hacking), rather than have the Board Member stand
> out the entire procedure. I'd be happy to propose such a two staged
> approach to disbursement.
>
> . I'd like to propose IMF disburse $5,000 to a party (individual or
> group) to work time on Pidgin, Adium, and libpurple for a month.
> . I'd like to propose this year that as soon as practical the IMF
> disburses the monies from the previous proposal to Gary, for the
> purposes of 'work(ing) full time* Pidgin, Adium, and libpurple for a month.'
>
> *I have very little comprehension of what defines 'work' and 'full time'
> in the US context. I'm not too sure what is being proposed qualifies as
> work in my country, and use of the phrase full time would endow the
> recipient with other legal entitlements. I must defer some judgment to
> my US board member peers, so if anyone can provide me (better yet, maybe
> this list?) examples of how this works in similar US based hacker
> groups, it'd be appreciated. Don't mean to be a pain, just being dutiful
> as an IMF board member n stuff.
>
>
> Catch you (UGT) later,
>
>
> Pete.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Board mailing list
> Board at imfreedom.org
> https://imfreedom.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/board



-- 

Matthew


From grim at reaperworld.com  Tue Mar 26 00:31:07 2019
From: grim at reaperworld.com (Gary Kramlich)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 23:31:07 -0500
Subject: Annual Meeting
In-Reply-To: <017b3b78-2bd1-f69c-ec66-3cded7fd9022@gmail.com>
References: <CALfZOuUaxoUiDNQsz4jreQepE0Yg9r0WSPKPAPvomtcUTokoOw@mail.gmail.com>
 <7c2706d5-a196-ce4a-2ab8-b5851a53bd1f@pidgin.im>
 <017b3b78-2bd1-f69c-ec66-3cded7fd9022@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGA0GwBhgX1P3HkaySrR+z-k5BQz9i6-JCL-1+EGKi9tcyn7-A@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 21:31 Peter Lawler <relwalretep at gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

As for agenda...
>
> On 26/3/19 11:53 am, John Bailey wrote:
>  > Hello fellow board members!
> *snip*
>  >        * Gary wants to present an update on the address debacle from
>  > last year.
> Hi, I'm new to the board. Please refresh my memory ;)
>

I've been working with SFLC to get our corporate address fixed as we
haven't had anyone at that address for quite some time now.  That said,
it's still not updated due to a number of reasons, but mostly frustration
in dealing with SFLC.

*snip*
>  >        * Election of board members and officers.
> I'm prepared to need my memory refreshed again (see previous) next year.
>  >        * I'd like to propose IMF disburse $5,000 to Gary to work full
>  > time on Pidgin, Adium, and libpurple for a month.
> I think there's two things here. One, an amount of money for a hacker's
> work for a period of time and the second selecting another party
> (individual or group) as the recipient of such along with what amount of
> time. I want to be clear I'm not opposed to either idea, nor John's
> original on principal. Just think it's possibly two agenda items. By
> splitting it in two I believe it will enable Board Members to discuss
> and contribute to the proposal of disbursement, and then excuse
> themselves from selection process on any possible conflict grounds (ie,
> they'd like to do the hacking), rather than have the Board Member stand
> out the entire procedure. I'd be happy to propose such a two staged
> approach to disbursement.
>
> . I'd like to propose IMF disburse $5,000 to a party (individual or
> group) to work time on Pidgin, Adium, and libpurple for a month.
> . I'd like to propose this year that as soon as practical the IMF
> disburses the monies from the previous proposal to Gary, for the
> purposes of 'work(ing) full time* Pidgin, Adium, and libpurple for a
> month.'
>
> *I have very little comprehension of what defines 'work' and 'full time'
> in the US context. I'm not too sure what is being proposed qualifies as
> work in my country, and use of the phrase full time would endow the
> recipient with other legal entitlements. I must defer some judgment to
> my US board member peers, so if anyone can provide me (better yet, maybe
> this list?) examples of how this works in similar US based hacker
> groups, it'd be appreciated. Don't mean to be a pain, just being dutiful
> as an IMF board member n stuff.
>

Good call on splitting this up. And in case you or anyone else is not
aware, March 15th was my last day of traditional employment. I have saved
up roughly 6 months worth of salary so that I can focus on imf projects
full time.  Obviously, trying to find a way to make it sustainable in the
mean time.

Catch you (UGT) later,
>
>
> Pete.
>

Thanks,

--
Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com>

>
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