From grim at reaperworld.com  Thu Dec  1 05:49:16 2022
From: grim at reaperworld.com (Gary Kramlich)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 04:49:16 -0600
Subject: State of Things
In-Reply-To: <CALfZOuUcLEYEcJd2kF5LehrKFxtbk3EHpKBgC5_t9UbZbBNkVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGA0GwABEiKurexotH_AC+DdZatmJ4ra=qVoqHnQUwbbT2OqRw@mail.gmail.com>
 <3a1a9241-70ac-d574-1ca6-6b4a8de94fa6@pidgin.im>
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:06 PM John Bailey <rekkanoryo at rekkanoryo.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 4:27 AM Peter Lawler <relwalretep at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Are we preserved with Internet Archive? Or am I missing something
> > here. Haven't directly checked, time over effort etc.
>
> This is a good question.  A quick look shows they have
> (https://web.archive.org/web/20211107012538/https://lists.pidgin.im/pipermail/devel/
> for example), but it might be somewhat out of date.  I think Gary's
> main concern was preserving the links as much as possible, because who
> knows how many links there are to lists.pidgin.im or
> lists.imfreedom.org or whatever.  It's trivial to amass hundreds or
> thousands of links that might have some historical value but are
> easily broken because of a migration like this.

Precisely. If we didn't want to host it ourselves, which is trivial
since we now know it's static HTML, we could at least redirect to
archive.org from the original domains rather than requiring everyone
to know to look on archive.org. That said, it feels like we're just
dumping traffic we can afford onto another organization, which I'd
feel better about if we were donating to them to help offset said
cost.

> John

Thanks,

--
Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com>


From grim at reaperworld.com  Thu Dec  1 05:53:39 2022
From: grim at reaperworld.com (Gary Kramlich)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 04:53:39 -0600
Subject: State of Things
In-Reply-To: <CALfZOuUk8b00_nxWVZ195KNKfyP7zvcRibZcPpe5PpaOoqzuXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGA0GwBHXxC5k9d+Xqy+GzoqOOM95DYqobo3PfMn0eXu8pspzw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1A3F8A40-B709-42CF-AE5F-9C577359F70E@wiktel.com>
 <CAGA0GwCT79f5dHtQPWFaDrcmJwPp2Mra7MjApy-OLZbatxY3uw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:00 PM John Bailey <rekkanoryo at rekkanoryo.org> wrote:
> And I believe I'm on record with this in board meeting minutes, but I
> don't care one way or the other whether we fold the corporation into
> some other umbrella organization, continue on, or decide what to do
> with the "war chest" and just dissolve.  I'm on board with whatever
> our consensus is.

As there seems to be some confusion here, the talk about the GNOME
foundation was for where Pidgin would be homed. The idea was that,
while the board has good intentions, we've stated numerous times that
there isn't much motivation or time available to the directors to do
much other than just have the corporation exist. So the idea of moving
Pidgin to the GNOME foundation is to basically to have the GNOME
foundation handle the money (I have no idea what the breakdown is for
Pidgin/Adium/whoever else or that we even know) and allow all the
Instant Messaging Freedom directors to not have to worry about the
corporation anymore.

> John

Thanks,

--
Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com>


From grim at reaperworld.com  Thu Dec  1 06:33:46 2022
From: grim at reaperworld.com (Gary Kramlich)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 05:33:46 -0600
Subject: State of Things
In-Reply-To: <CAGA0GwCT79f5dHtQPWFaDrcmJwPp2Mra7MjApy-OLZbatxY3uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGA0GwBHXxC5k9d+Xqy+GzoqOOM95DYqobo3PfMn0eXu8pspzw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1A3F8A40-B709-42CF-AE5F-9C577359F70E@wiktel.com>
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Message-ID: <CAGA0GwBy=V-yAXDjktxGQw_vU-JZYc9qYVPQrOKfSB1ZVyEg5Q@mail.gmail.com>

TL;DR Trying to define a statement of work and figure out a rough timeline.

On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 9:23 PM Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 8:25 PM Richard Laager <rlaager at wiktel.com> wrote:
> >
> > [Off-list because I’m replying from my phone which doesn’t have the appropriate address setup. It’s fine to quote this publicly.]
> >
> > discourse.imfreedom.org as the service name seems fine.
> >
> > If it were me… I think it’d be worth some small amount of time (like 2 or 4 hours) to try to integrate the auth with hub. If it’s trivial, why not. If you investigate and you’re halfway there, then continue a little longer. If you investigate and it’s going to be a mess, then bail and use built in auth. But ultimately it is up to you, as you are the one doing it.
>
> That was kind of my thought, the questionable part is importing the
> user list from mailman then means we're bringing people into more..
> but I dunno, the more i think about it, the more i'm thinking the
> username import might not be worth it.

I've got discord running on discourse.imfreedom.org, the node's
hostname is carrier and can be reached via carrier.pidgin.im. The root
account has it has ssh public keys for both Richard and I.  Please do
not do anything with this yet. I started looking at the SSO and it
requires a little bit of work and some more reading on my part. I also
messed up the email settings initially so I will most likely just nuke
the server and start over with the right settings this time.

That said, how much more should I be doing before we agree to a
statement of work? Last time we did something like this, I ended up
doing all the work without a statement of work and everyone was
disappointed and we're very quickly falling down that path again. I'm
around 4 hours in and we have a rough statement of work, but we
haven't yet defined a rate or min/max expenditure so I'm hesitant to
continue moving until these are defined.

Some additional information that may help with this. My normal hourly
rate for contracting is 100 USD per hour. I'm currently 4 hours in,
not counting time spent on these emails, that's all research and doing
stuff. As I mentioned previously I will most likely wipe the machine
and start over to fix my previous mistakes as we're using a 1-click
setup on DigitalOcean that makes that trivial. I still need to do some
additional getting up to speed on Discourse but that's going to be
ongoing regardless so I don't want to block too much on that either.
But that leaves the following list of items.

Not sure where these two should go, so I'm just listing them first but
I mention later where they're required.
* Richard sets up email accounts at wiktel (as much as possible at this point)
* Add wiktel to the spf record and any other email based dns records
that we can.

* Decrease ttl on carrier.pidgin.im and discourse.imfreedom.org so I
can recycle the vps and get a new one without my mistakes.
* Recycle the vps to fix my email mistake that ended up in the "admin"
account being used and forcing the shared administrator account to
have a username of "administrator". (The idea here is that the admin
account is accessible by any officer or anyone that has access to the
1password imfreedom vault can get into it if necessary, but each
officer's account will also be an admin.)
* Get https://meta.discourse.org/t/setup-discourseconnect-official-single-sign-on-for-discourse-sso/13045
up and running for SSO with hub.imfreedom.org.
* In Discourse, create categories support, discussion, infrastructure,
and maybe plugins?. Add tags for all of the projects (pidgin, finch,
libpurple, libgnt, talkatu, gplugin, traversity, plugin pack, any
others like adium?). Not sure if we want a development category? I'd
really rather keep that on youtrack for pidgin, but maybe there's a
compelling argument otherwise?
* Add some sticky threads in each category mentioning their use and so on.
* Create listsarchive.pidgin.im and listsarchive.imfreedom.org dns
records that point to the kubernetes cluster.
* Create tar.zstd archives of the raw mailing lists on rock and upload
them to data.imfreedom.org.
* Create containers for listarchive.pidgin.im and
listarchive.imfreedom.org using the previously created tar.zstd
archive and get them deployed to the kubernetes cluster.
* Put mail man into read only mode (we should pick a date for this and
announce it).
* update tar.zstd archives for both sets of mailing lists and rebuild
the containers
* decrease ttl for lists.pidgin.im and lists.imfreedom.org

* wiktel email needs to be set up for everything after this.

* Point hub, youtrack, teamcity, reviewboard, and discourse at the
wiktel email server.
* update dns records to make wiktel the primary mx and to remove
rock.pidgin.im from the list.
* update dns record for lists.pidgin.im to point to the kubernetes
cluster and put the ttl back to normal.
* update the ingress for listarchives.pidgin.im to instead use
lists.pidgin.im (we'll leave listarchives but have it redirect to the
original domain)
* update dns record for lists.imfreedom.org to point to the kubernetes
cluster and put the ttl back to normal.
* update the ingress for listarchives.imfreedom.org to instead use
lists.imfreedom.org (we'll leave listarchives but have it redirect to
the original domain)
* shutdown rock.pidgin.im. Back up its disk image to a safe place,
preferably the pidgin/imfreedom vault that it looks like i haven't
published yet (i can discuss this project in more detail later,
basically it's a ark where I keep a copy in a fire safe and send
another copy to John).
* destroy the rock.pidgin.im vps that's running at wiktel.

I'll be codifying all of this as an epic in the infrastructure project
in youtrack once it's agreed upon, but I can do that early if we
prefer.

Also I'm sure I missed something here, because as you can tell it's a
lot of work, which also means I have no idea how long it's going to
take me to actually complete all of this as there's plenty of room for
error and things to be forgotten.

> > --
> > Richard
>

Thanks,

--
Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com>


From elb at pidgin.im  Thu Dec  1 08:53:48 2022
From: elb at pidgin.im (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 08:53:48 -0500
Subject: State of Things
In-Reply-To: <CALfZOuVwfWa0gDaPL9028_J5qySuh1Kj6jcGzqgSAtN6UeK9ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGA0GwABEiKurexotH_AC+DdZatmJ4ra=qVoqHnQUwbbT2OqRw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <Y4ix7CinmLFA04qn@colt.lan>

John Bailey wrote:
> I just mentioned this to Gary a bit ago, but as far as the projects
> are concerned, Gary can do whatever he wants for Pidgin, libpurple,
> and Finch and the board doesn't need to approve anything unless the
> project is asking us to pay for something.  The only thing we as the
> IM Freedom board would need to approve aside from expenditures is
> stuff that directly affects the corporation, such as changes to this
> list.  And even then, I don't know that a full formal vote is
> necessary as long as we have consensus.  My personal view on it is, as
> long as we have continuity to continue to do the minimal things we do,
> whatever keeps us going without spending a fortune or putting undue
> burden on any one person, especially Gary, feels reasonable.

I strongly agree with this.


From grim at reaperworld.com  Thu Dec  1 16:48:08 2022
From: grim at reaperworld.com (Gary Kramlich)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 15:48:08 -0600
Subject: State of Things
In-Reply-To: <C6C72697-4472-4745-B889-06B7564ED332@wiktel.com>
References: <C6C72697-4472-4745-B889-06B7564ED332@wiktel.com>
Message-ID: <CAGA0GwBt+=WQPKGSRxooH0-2qHyF5mbfPDHHzcQDeCytimrkWg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 12:19 PM Richard Laager <rlaager at wiktel.com> wrote:
>
> (again replying from phone, please feel free to quote reply to the list)
>
> ﻿I’m very roughly ballparking that at 40 hours. Basically you are half a day in so far, have half a day of little stuff in the first part, figure two half days to cut and cleanup after, two days for discourse setup and integration, and add a day because I always underestimate.
>
> Thoughts on that timeline? Am I still underestimating?

No, that seems reasonable to me, and I didn't even look at it that
hard yet... But yeah the part of listing everything out like that was
to show, it's more than a day or two. The other part was so to
actually try to turn it into a todo list :-D

> --
> Richard

Thanks,

--
Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com>


From rlaager at pidgin.im  Thu Dec  1 17:43:44 2022
From: rlaager at pidgin.im (Richard Laager)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 16:43:44 -0600
Subject: State of Things
In-Reply-To: <CAGA0GwBt+=WQPKGSRxooH0-2qHyF5mbfPDHHzcQDeCytimrkWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C6C72697-4472-4745-B889-06B7564ED332@wiktel.com>
 <CAGA0GwBt+=WQPKGSRxooH0-2qHyF5mbfPDHHzcQDeCytimrkWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6aba7996-4df4-e616-25f3-a9e2372da436@pidgin.im>

Board,

I propose that we offer Gary $4,000, upon completion, for the task of 
moving email. Gary talked in specifics, but the broad requirements are:

- The outdated rock.pidgin.im is eliminated.

- Pidgin gets a Discourse.

   - Gary makes a reasonable attempt to integrate the authentication
     with Hub. If this takes more than 4 hours with no good progress,
     he can abandon that at his discretion.

   - Gary makes a reasonable attempt to preserve the existing mailing
     list website as a static site. If this takes more than 4 hours
     with no good progress, he can abandon that at his discretion.

- Hosted via a third party:

   - Pidgin retains outbound email for ReviewBoard, etc.

   - Pidgin retains email forwarders (individual and/or group) with Gary
     providing the specifics of which addresses forward where.

   - IMF retains a board@ address that forwards to members of the board.

-- 
Richard

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From matthew at ei8ht.us  Thu Dec  1 20:56:57 2022
From: matthew at ei8ht.us (Matthew)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 19:56:57 -0600
Subject: State of Things
In-Reply-To: <6aba7996-4df4-e616-25f3-a9e2372da436@pidgin.im>
References: <C6C72697-4472-4745-B889-06B7564ED332@wiktel.com>
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I second this.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 4:43 PM Richard Laager <rlaager at pidgin.im> wrote:

> Board,
>
> I propose that we offer Gary $4,000, upon completion, for the task of
> moving email. Gary talked in specifics, but the broad requirements are:
>
> - The outdated rock.pidgin.im is eliminated.
>
> - Pidgin gets a Discourse.
>
>    - Gary makes a reasonable attempt to integrate the authentication
>      with Hub. If this takes more than 4 hours with no good progress,
>      he can abandon that at his discretion.
>
>    - Gary makes a reasonable attempt to preserve the existing mailing
>      list website as a static site. If this takes more than 4 hours
>      with no good progress, he can abandon that at his discretion.
>
> - Hosted via a third party:
>
>    - Pidgin retains outbound email for ReviewBoard, etc.
>
>    - Pidgin retains email forwarders (individual and/or group) with Gary
>      providing the specifics of which addresses forward where.
>
>    - IMF retains a board@ address that forwards to members of the board.
>
> --
> Richard
>
> _______________________________________________
> Board mailing list
> Board at imfreedom.org
> https://lists.imfreedom.org/listinfo/board
>
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From rekkanoryo at rekkanoryo.org  Fri Dec  2 08:32:55 2022
From: rekkanoryo at rekkanoryo.org (John Bailey)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 08:32:55 -0500
Subject: State of Things
In-Reply-To: <CAERx-0Po2mHD8wDKKXDKFa3TCXMEWoojjNtu7q2P393FSz5tYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C6C72697-4472-4745-B889-06B7564ED332@wiktel.com>
 <CAGA0GwBt+=WQPKGSRxooH0-2qHyF5mbfPDHHzcQDeCytimrkWg@mail.gmail.com>
 <6aba7996-4df4-e616-25f3-a9e2372da436@pidgin.im>
 <CAERx-0Po2mHD8wDKKXDKFa3TCXMEWoojjNtu7q2P393FSz5tYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALfZOuVtA_SkVKCMX+BBOLzmG6BOWBr7Xs5-9_ffJDm53kF3NQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 1, 2022, 20:57 Matthew <matthew at ei8ht.us> wrote:

> I second this.
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 4:43 PM Richard Laager <rlaager at pidgin.im> wrote:
>
>> Board,
>>
>> I propose that we offer Gary $4,000, upon completion, for the task of
>> moving email. Gary talked in specifics, but the broad requirements are:
>>
>
Let's do it.

John

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From grim at reaperworld.com  Fri Dec  2 15:16:45 2022
From: grim at reaperworld.com (Gary Kramlich)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 14:16:45 -0600
Subject: Name Conflict
Message-ID: <CAGA0GwCmLj1shd-Y_csT-frr2K_75FV8NJReC-tdnOysyYGzxA@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

As I wrote previously[1] AWS has released a container runtime tool
named Finch[1]. I just got off of a call with Pamela Chestek[3] who
represented GNOME in their trademark case against Groupon[4].

She suggested that she reach out to their legal team on our behalf in
an informal manner, basically a "we don't want to raise a big stink
about this, but this isn't right" kind of thing. She is imagining that
the developers of the other tool didn't get the name cleared by legal,
and since we both run on the same platform (macOS) and that Finch is
available via the Pidgin HomeBrew package, that they're close enough
that there could be confusion.

She is estimating 30 minutes to an hour of her time to find the right
contact and get this sent out with an hourly rate of 385 USD. We
wouldn't be on the hook for anything after that, and we can decide the
next steps depending on their response. I just realized I completely
forgot to ask about a retainer, but I can't imagine that'd be
necessary unless this gets much more serious.

I told her I would get back to her early next week, so I would like
for everyone to respond with a yay to proceed or a nay to do nothing
by Tuesday December 6th at 1800 UTC. See
https://time.is/1200pm_6_Dec_2022_in_CST/UTC/EST/PST/Tasmania/Christchurch
for the time in your repective timezones.

[1] https://lists.imfreedom.org/pipermail/board/2022-November/000658.html
[2] https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/introducing-finch-an-open-source-client-for-container-development/
[3] https://www.chesteklegal.com/
[4] https://lwn.net/Articles/619986/

Thanks,

--
Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com>


From elb at pidgin.im  Fri Dec  2 15:29:33 2022
From: elb at pidgin.im (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 15:29:33 -0500
Subject: Name Conflict
In-Reply-To: <CAGA0GwCmLj1shd-Y_csT-frr2K_75FV8NJReC-tdnOysyYGzxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGA0GwCmLj1shd-Y_csT-frr2K_75FV8NJReC-tdnOysyYGzxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Y4pgLVidIWbOqpPh@colt.lan>

Gary Kramlich wrote:
> She is estimating 30 minutes to an hour of her time to find the right
> contact and get this sent out with an hourly rate of 385 USD. We
> wouldn't be on the hook for anything after that, and we can decide the
> next steps depending on their response. I just realized I completely
> forgot to ask about a retainer, but I can't imagine that'd be
> necessary unless this gets much more serious.
> 
> I told her I would get back to her early next week, so I would like
> for everyone to respond with a yay to proceed or a nay to do nothing
> by Tuesday December 6th at 1800 UTC. See
> https://time.is/1200pm_6_Dec_2022_in_CST/UTC/EST/PST/Tasmania/Christchurch
> for the time in your repective timezones.

(Sorry Gary, I left the list off the first time.)

I am in favor of retaining her services for this contact.


From matthew at ei8ht.us  Fri Dec  2 16:00:46 2022
From: matthew at ei8ht.us (Matthew)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 15:00:46 -0600
Subject: Name Conflict
In-Reply-To: <CAGA0GwCmLj1shd-Y_csT-frr2K_75FV8NJReC-tdnOysyYGzxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGA0GwCmLj1shd-Y_csT-frr2K_75FV8NJReC-tdnOysyYGzxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAERx-0Ou9ne3+XZ9pDt+OntQaZp7VPNDaX5xgQf9+evzrKYNBg@mail.gmail.com>

Yea

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 2:17 PM Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> As I wrote previously[1] AWS has released a container runtime tool
> named Finch[1]. I just got off of a call with Pamela Chestek[3] who
> represented GNOME in their trademark case against Groupon[4].
>
> She suggested that she reach out to their legal team on our behalf in
> an informal manner, basically a "we don't want to raise a big stink
> about this, but this isn't right" kind of thing. She is imagining that
> the developers of the other tool didn't get the name cleared by legal,
> and since we both run on the same platform (macOS) and that Finch is
> available via the Pidgin HomeBrew package, that they're close enough
> that there could be confusion.
>
> She is estimating 30 minutes to an hour of her time to find the right
> contact and get this sent out with an hourly rate of 385 USD. We
> wouldn't be on the hook for anything after that, and we can decide the
> next steps depending on their response. I just realized I completely
> forgot to ask about a retainer, but I can't imagine that'd be
> necessary unless this gets much more serious.
>
> I told her I would get back to her early next week, so I would like
> for everyone to respond with a yay to proceed or a nay to do nothing
> by Tuesday December 6th at 1800 UTC. See
> https://time.is/1200pm_6_Dec_2022_in_CST/UTC/EST/PST/Tasmania/Christchurch
> for the time in your repective timezones.
>
> [1] https://lists.imfreedom.org/pipermail/board/2022-November/000658.html
> [2]
> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/introducing-finch-an-open-source-client-for-container-development/
> [3] https://www.chesteklegal.com/
> [4] https://lwn.net/Articles/619986/
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Board mailing list
> Board at imfreedom.org
> https://lists.imfreedom.org/listinfo/board
>
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From relwalretep at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 17:06:04 2022
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 09:06:04 +1100
Subject: Name Conflict
In-Reply-To: <Y4pgLVidIWbOqpPh@colt.lan>
References: <CAGA0GwCmLj1shd-Y_csT-frr2K_75FV8NJReC-tdnOysyYGzxA@mail.gmail.com>
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>From this point onwards, in the matter of the naming conflict I'm happy to
follow Nathan's lead on this one.

P

On Sat, 3 Dec 2022, 07:29 Ethan Blanton, <elb at pidgin.im> wrote:

> Gary Kramlich wrote:
> > She is estimating 30 minutes to an hour of her time to find the right
> > contact and get this sent out with an hourly rate of 385 USD. We
> > wouldn't be on the hook for anything after that, and we can decide the
> > next steps depending on their response. I just realized I completely
> > forgot to ask about a retainer, but I can't imagine that'd be
> > necessary unless this gets much more serious.
> >
> > I told her I would get back to her early next week, so I would like
> > for everyone to respond with a yay to proceed or a nay to do nothing
> > by Tuesday December 6th at 1800 UTC. See
> >
> https://time.is/1200pm_6_Dec_2022_in_CST/UTC/EST/PST/Tasmania/Christchurch
> > for the time in your repective timezones.
>
> (Sorry Gary, I left the list off the first time.)
>
> I am in favor of retaining her services for this contact.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From relwalretep at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 17:06:57 2022
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 09:06:57 +1100
Subject: Name Conflict
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As well as Ethan, for that matter...

On Sat, 3 Dec 2022, 09:06 Peter Lawler, <relwalretep at gmail.com> wrote:

> From this point onwards, in the matter of the naming conflict I'm happy to
> follow Nathan's lead on this one.
>
> P
>
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2022, 07:29 Ethan Blanton, <elb at pidgin.im> wrote:
>
>> Gary Kramlich wrote:
>> > She is estimating 30 minutes to an hour of her time to find the right
>> > contact and get this sent out with an hourly rate of 385 USD. We
>> > wouldn't be on the hook for anything after that, and we can decide the
>> > next steps depending on their response. I just realized I completely
>> > forgot to ask about a retainer, but I can't imagine that'd be
>> > necessary unless this gets much more serious.
>> >
>> > I told her I would get back to her early next week, so I would like
>> > for everyone to respond with a yay to proceed or a nay to do nothing
>> > by Tuesday December 6th at 1800 UTC. See
>> >
>> https://time.is/1200pm_6_Dec_2022_in_CST/UTC/EST/PST/Tasmania/Christchurch
>> > for the time in your repective timezones.
>>
>> (Sorry Gary, I left the list off the first time.)
>>
>> I am in favor of retaining her services for this contact.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Board mailing list
>> Board at imfreedom.org
>> https://lists.imfreedom.org/listinfo/board
>>
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From rekkanoryo at rekkanoryo.org  Fri Dec  2 17:40:19 2022
From: rekkanoryo at rekkanoryo.org (John Bailey)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 17:40:19 -0500
Subject: Name Conflict
In-Reply-To: <CAGA0GwCmLj1shd-Y_csT-frr2K_75FV8NJReC-tdnOysyYGzxA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 3:17 PM Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com> wrote:
> I told her I would get back to her early next week, so I would like
> for everyone to respond with a yay to proceed or a nay to do nothing
> by Tuesday December 6th at 1800 UTC. See
> https://time.is/1200pm_6_Dec_2022_in_CST/UTC/EST/PST/Tasmania/Christchurch
> for the time in your repective timezones.

Yea.

I'm assuming that this will pass, so when you proceed I'll need the
payment details so I can issue a check through the billpay service
when that's due.

John


From rlaager at pidgin.im  Mon Dec  5 19:54:23 2022
From: rlaager at pidgin.im (Richard Laager)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2022 18:54:23 -0600
Subject: Name Conflict
In-Reply-To: <CAGA0GwCmLj1shd-Y_csT-frr2K_75FV8NJReC-tdnOysyYGzxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGA0GwCmLj1shd-Y_csT-frr2K_75FV8NJReC-tdnOysyYGzxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f291c00-1642-32e9-d6e3-a91f29c7173f@pidgin.im>

I agree with the approach proposed.

On 12/2/22 14:16, Gary Kramlich wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> As I wrote previously[1] AWS has released a container runtime tool
> named Finch[1]. I just got off of a call with Pamela Chestek[3] who
> represented GNOME in their trademark case against Groupon[4].
> 
> She suggested that she reach out to their legal team on our behalf in
> an informal manner, basically a "we don't want to raise a big stink
> about this, but this isn't right" kind of thing. She is imagining that
> the developers of the other tool didn't get the name cleared by legal,
> and since we both run on the same platform (macOS) and that Finch is
> available via the Pidgin HomeBrew package, that they're close enough
> that there could be confusion.
> 
> She is estimating 30 minutes to an hour of her time to find the right
> contact and get this sent out with an hourly rate of 385 USD. We
> wouldn't be on the hook for anything after that, and we can decide the
> next steps depending on their response. I just realized I completely
> forgot to ask about a retainer, but I can't imagine that'd be
> necessary unless this gets much more serious.
> 
> I told her I would get back to her early next week, so I would like
> for everyone to respond with a yay to proceed or a nay to do nothing
> by Tuesday December 6th at 1800 UTC. See
> https://time.is/1200pm_6_Dec_2022_in_CST/UTC/EST/PST/Tasmania/Christchurch
> for the time in your repective timezones.
> 
> [1] https://lists.imfreedom.org/pipermail/board/2022-November/000658.html
> [2] https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/introducing-finch-an-open-source-client-for-container-development/
> [3] https://www.chesteklegal.com/
> [4] https://lwn.net/Articles/619986/
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --
> Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Board mailing list
> Board at imfreedom.org
> https://lists.imfreedom.org/listinfo/board

-- 
Richard

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From grim at reaperworld.com  Tue Dec  6 01:04:59 2022
From: grim at reaperworld.com (Gary Kramlich)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 00:04:59 -0600
Subject: Name Conflict
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On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:54 PM Richard Laager <rlaager at pidgin.im> wrote:
> I agree with the approach proposed.

We haven't heard from Colin or Eion, but we've got affirmative
responses from 6 out of the 8 directors, so I will go ahead and
contact Pam tomorrow and let her know that we would like to proceed as
planned.

> --
> Richard

Thanks,

--
Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com>


From rlaager at pidgin.im  Sat Dec 10 00:59:54 2022
From: rlaager at pidgin.im (Richard Laager)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 23:59:54 -0600
Subject: Investment Account
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I'm pleased to report that the Fidelity investment account is open at last.

I'm less pleased to report they don't seem to have linked the bank 
account, despite me filling out that part of the application and 
submitting the required documentation. That doesn't matter right now, 
but it would if/when we want to actually transfer money. I'll follow up 
on that.

Matthew & Gary: If you don't already have a Fidelity login, please visit 
their website (fidelity.com), click Log In (blue button), then click 
Register Now (grey button). From there, you should be able to setup a 
login. Once you have a working login, I certainly recommend setting up 
two-factor, even though we have no money in the account right now.

-- 
Richard

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From grim at reaperworld.com  Thu Dec 15 00:17:11 2022
From: grim at reaperworld.com (Gary Kramlich)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 23:17:11 -0600
Subject: Investment Account
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Bleh I keep forgetting to do this. I'll get it done tonight.

On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 12:00 AM Richard Laager <rlaager at pidgin.im> wrote:
>
> I'm pleased to report that the Fidelity investment account is open at last.
>
> I'm less pleased to report they don't seem to have linked the bank account, despite me filling out that part of the application and submitting the required documentation. That doesn't matter right now, but it would if/when we want to actually transfer money. I'll follow up on that.
>
> Matthew & Gary: If you don't already have a Fidelity login, please visit their website (fidelity.com), click Log In (blue button), then click Register Now (grey button). From there, you should be able to setup a login. Once you have a working login, I certainly recommend setting up two-factor, even though we have no money in the account right now.
>
> --
> Richard
>
> _______________________________________________
> Board mailing list
> Board at imfreedom.org
> https://lists.imfreedom.org/listinfo/board



-- 
Thanks,

--
Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com>


From rlaager at pidgin.im  Sun Dec 18 21:36:21 2022
From: rlaager at pidgin.im (Richard Laager)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 20:36:21 -0600
Subject: Investment Account
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On 12/9/22 23:59, Richard Laager wrote:
>
> I'm pleased to report that the Fidelity investment account is open at 
> last.
>
> I'm less pleased to report they don't seem to have linked the bank account
>
I'm pleased to report the bank account is linked. From my perspective, 
that completes this project.

If the board wishes to invest some money, then we'd need to discuss 1) 
how much, and 2) create an investment policy.

If someone wants to donate appreciated stock, I'm happy to ask Fidelity 
how to receive it.

-- 
Richard

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From grim at reaperworld.com  Mon Dec 19 01:15:11 2022
From: grim at reaperworld.com (Gary Kramlich)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 00:15:11 -0600
Subject: Investment Account
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On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 8:36 PM Richard Laager <rlaager at pidgin.im> wrote:
>
> On 12/9/22 23:59, Richard Laager wrote:
>
> I'm pleased to report that the Fidelity investment account is open at last.
>
> I'm less pleased to report they don't seem to have linked the bank account
>
> I'm pleased to report the bank account is linked. From my perspective, that completes this project.

Thanks for getting this all wrapped up!

This fell off my radar a bit but I just got everything setup. It looks
like the account is named "corporation" though we might want to change
that?

> --
> Richard

Thanks,

-- 
Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com>


From rlaager at pidgin.im  Mon Dec 19 01:19:51 2022
From: rlaager at pidgin.im (Richard Laager)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 00:19:51 -0600
Subject: Investment Account
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On 12/19/22 00:15, Gary Kramlich wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 8:36 PM Richard Laager <rlaager at pidgin.im> wrote:
>>
>> On 12/9/22 23:59, Richard Laager wrote:
>>
>> I'm pleased to report that the Fidelity investment account is open at last.
>>
>> I'm less pleased to report they don't seem to have linked the bank account
>>
>> I'm pleased to report the bank account is linked. From my perspective, that completes this project.
> 
> Thanks for getting this all wrapped up!
> 
> This fell off my radar a bit but I just got everything setup. It looks
> like the account is named "corporation" though we might want to change
> that?

The name of the account is a per-user setting, so you can rename it 
whatever you want:

1. On the left bar, click the three dots.
2. Click Customize account list.
3. Check the box for that account.
4. Click the Rename button at the top.
5. Type a new name.
6. Click Save.

-- 
Richard

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From grim at reaperworld.com  Mon Dec 19 01:52:26 2022
From: grim at reaperworld.com (Gary Kramlich)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 00:52:26 -0600
Subject: Investment Account
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 12:19 AM Richard Laager <rlaager at pidgin.im> wrote:
>
> On 12/19/22 00:15, Gary Kramlich wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 8:36 PM Richard Laager <rlaager at pidgin.im> wrote:
>
> The name of the account is a per-user setting, so you can rename it
> whatever you want:

Yeah I saw that, just figured it might be easier if it was named that
by default, but whatever.
> --
> Richard
>


Thanks,

-- 
Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com>


From rlaager at pidgin.im  Mon Dec 19 02:20:09 2022
From: rlaager at pidgin.im (Richard Laager)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 01:20:09 -0600
Subject: Investment Account
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On 12/19/22 00:52, Gary Kramlich wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 12:19 AM Richard Laager <rlaager at pidgin.im> wrote:
>>
>> On 12/19/22 00:15, Gary Kramlich wrote:
>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 8:36 PM Richard Laager <rlaager at pidgin.im> wrote:
>>
>> The name of the account is a per-user setting, so you can rename it
>> whatever you want:
> 
> Yeah I saw that, just figured it might be easier if it was named that
> by default, but whatever.

It's only possible to customize it per user. The default names are 
always just whatever type of account it is.

-- 
Richard

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