<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><title>Conversation with boardroom@conference.pidgin.im at Tue 20 May 2008 07:47:35 PM EDT on lschiere@pidgin.im/Home (jabber)</title></head><body><h3>Conversation with boardroom@conference.pidgin.im at Tue 20 May 2008 07:47:35 PM EDT on lschiere@pidgin.im/Home (jabber)</h3> (2008-05-20 19:47:35) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Oh, get an income :)</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:49:08) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>we were supposed to do *several* things with the web page</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:49:20) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>and, by the way, Kudos to Mark for setting up what's there now</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:50:31) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Is that how I make Evan talk?</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:50:45) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>the rest of us are admins</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:51:10) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Test</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:51:14) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Yes, thanks.</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:51:50) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>or rather owners</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:53:55) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>so how is this meeting going to be run</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:53:59) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>last year was ... suboptimal</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:55:57) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I was thinking "with an iron fist"</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:56:01) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>How does that sound? :)</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:56:12) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Difficult with which to type?</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:57:11) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I meant more procedure-wise</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:57:29) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Maybe a little more casual-like than last time.</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:57:59) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>ok</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:58:35) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>markdoliner: 2 minutes :)</body></html> (2008-05-20 19:59:37) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Hi</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:00:24) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Oh, elb's question as to who we were missing confused me - you'd ahoy'ed before that</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:00:44) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>the other Mark :-)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:01:18) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Ah! Right.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:02:48) luke-adium [lschiere@pidgin.im/pomme] entered the room. (2008-05-20 20:05:14) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>is this thing going to happen?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:05:28) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>and is someone going to announce it?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:05:42) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Yeah, just one minute.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:05:43) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>it should be announced</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:05:44) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>sorry</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:07:44) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Ok, shall we get under way?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:07:54) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>sounds good</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:07:58) ***seanegan <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>bangs gavel!</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:08:24) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>lschiere: Do you have minutes from the last meeting to go over?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:08:27) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>yes</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:08:53) BigBrownChunx [eionrobb@gmail.com/WorkA61F994E] entered the room. (2008-05-20 20:08:57) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Last meeting Luke Schierer, Ethan Blanton, Evan Schoenberg, Nathan Walp & Sean Egan in attendence. Mark Doliner and Mark Spencer absent</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:09:29) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The President (Sean) stated that all legal obligations were resolved until 20080504 when we could no longer use "Gaim" to refer to ourselves or the Pidgin project. </body></html> (2008-05-20 20:09:36) khc [khc@hxbc.us/Home] entered the room. (2008-05-20 20:09:37) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The treasurer (Ethan) then reported:</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:09:38) nosnilmot [nosnilmot@pidgin.im/Pidgin] entered the room. (2008-05-20 20:09:43) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>We have $7,996.64 in account. We have taken in $15,000 of which $3,000 was held for Adium and disbursed to them. We have spent $3,090.96 on artwork. We have spent $26 on wire fees. We have spent 103.87 on credit card processing. We have spent $7.63 on postage. We have spent $775 on legal fees. </body></html> (2008-05-20 20:10:17) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>That concluded the treasurer's report. I then reported on my research todate on the costs and advantages of a second server. The board voted to defer decision</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:10:33) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The board unanimously voted that the vp continue to look into the possibilities of selling Pidgin tee-shirts and other merchandise. The board unanimously voted that a webpage for imfreedom be created. The board unanimously voted to create <a href='mailto:discussion@imfreedom.org'>discussion@imfreedom.org</a> The board voted that the president would invite <a href='mailto:devel@pidgin.im'>devel@pidgin.im</a> and <a href='mailto:adium-devl@adiumx.com'>adium-devl@adiumx.com</a> to <a href='mailto:disccusion@imfreedom.org'>disccusion@imfreedom.org</a> </body></html> (2008-05-20 20:10:48) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The board voted to re-elect all officers. The board voted that an agenda would be published no less than one week in advance of the meeting. </body></html> (2008-05-20 20:10:59) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The board voted that: Any proposal dealing with the expenditure of more than a total of $100 (either as a one-time cost, or the sum of recurring expenditures), must be proposed at least one week before votes are collected. It may either be proposed for an email vote with one week of notice, or proposed for vote at a board meeting, provided that the text of the proposal is present in the meeting agenda one week in advance.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:11:08) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The board voted that the website contain the following: 1) A statement clarifying that IM Freedom, Inc. does not direct the day-to-day development of Pidgin, libpurple, Adium, or any libpurple related project. 2) A statement that any funds donated to IM Freedom, Inc. in no way entitle the donator to any special privileges or control over the activites of IM Freedom, Inc. or the disbursment of their donation. 3) Information reguarding the public mailing list, <a href='mailto:discussion@imfreedom.org'>discussion@imfreedom.org</a>, and the archives of <a href='mailto:board@imfreedom.org'>board@imfreedom.org</a> (as appropriate). 4) A regularly updated statement on the activites being pursued by IM Freedom, Inc. as discussed on the mailing lists and voted on by the board. </body></html> (2008-05-20 20:11:21) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The President then thanked everyone for coming, and closed the meeting</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:11:34) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Thanks!</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:12:46) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Let's elect a new board now. Everyone has been re-nominated for the current position, with noone running opposed.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:12:55) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>(that concluded the minutes of the previous meeting, the president would now custimarily ask of anyone wished to amend the minutes)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:13:10) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I move to approve the minutes as read</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:13:15) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I said we were gonna try this more casual like, Luke ;)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:13:33) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>but, there is a motion to approve the minutes as read :)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:13:39) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>seconded</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:14:03) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>all in favor of approving the minutes as read, say aye.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:14:07) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:14:08) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:14:10) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:14:18) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:14:29) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The ayes have it! The minutes are approved</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:15:02) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The chair moves to vote to re-elect all officers and directors to their current position</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:15:09) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>seconded</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:15:25) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>All in favor, say aye.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:15:28) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:15:29) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:15:32) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:15:58) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:16:05) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The ayes have it!</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:16:17) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Congratulations on your re-election!</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:16:34) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Thanks, chair!</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:17:22) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The chair has a few more motions.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:18:11) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>the treasure waits with bated breath</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:18:26) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The chair has to find them :)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:19:19) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Ah, the chair moves to ammend the by-laws of the corporation as written in the e-mail sent to <a href='mailto:board@imfreedom.org'>board@imfreedom.org</a>.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:19:28) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>seconded</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:19:54) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>These changes were recommended by our attorney due to some confusion that came up when we were filing our tax exemption form.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:20:33) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>For reference: <a href='http://pidgin.im/pipermail/board/2008-May/000110.html'>http://pidgin.im/pipermail/board/2008-May/000110.html</a></body></html> (2008-05-20 20:21:06) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'><a href='http://imfreedom.org/pipermail/board/2008-May/000110.html'>http://imfreedom.org/pipermail/board/2008-May/000110.html</a></body></html> (2008-05-20 20:21:23) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>It clarifies our address information (which is listed as []) on the copy posted to imfreedom.org, and removes a somewhat ambiguous requirement that the treasurer co-signs all checks and contracts.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:22:44) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>There are two variations we can choose from, so we'll vote on them separately.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:23:37) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The first variation states that the treasurer sign all checks as authorized by the board and the president signs all contracts as authorized by the board.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:23:58) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The second states that the president sign all contracts as authorized, and any officer may sign a check if authorized.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:24:23) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I'd prefer the first form</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:24:44) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Point of information, what is needed to be "authorized"?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:24:58) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>A majority vote</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:25:05) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Thanks, chair</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:25:19) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Including the incidental charges resolution passed last year</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:25:56) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Point of information, isn't the treasurer the only individual with said checks?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:26:27) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>actually, the chair doesn't think the treasurer has any checks, but uses the banks webpage to issue them.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:26:33) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Is that true</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:26:48) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>that is true</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:26:53) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>the president has our paper checks</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:27:08) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>(due to them having been delivered to our location of incorporation)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:27:18) Robby [robby.is.on@jabber.org/Adium] entered the room. (2008-05-20 20:28:00) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>It doesn't make much difference for the terms of authorization, in any case, I think</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:28:04) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>any officer can be given access to the (auditable) web bank account access as needed; we have not needed to extend it past the president and treasurer for business until now</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:29:47) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I think it makes sense for the treasurer to manage signing of checks... though if it's not trouble to revise the phrasing, I suggest "the treasurer or his designated appointee may sign checks as authorized by the board"</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:30:12) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>who would be a "designated appointee?"</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:30:28) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>whomever the treasurer designates</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:30:36) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>touche!</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:30:51) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Why would the treasurer want to designate someone else to sign them?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:30:58) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>RSI</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:31:22) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>or because I have them all :)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:31:22) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I point out that for paper checks, currently the only signatures on file with the bank are the treasurer and the president</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:31:45) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>the only *real* reason I can think of would be if the treasurer were to have a vacation or leave of absence </body></html> (2008-05-20 20:31:54) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>In case the treasurer weren't able to handle a future-payment.. e.g. board authorizes payment for service X at time Y, but treasurer will be unavailable at time Y to handle it</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:32:02) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>that's a good point.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:32:37) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>What if the treasurer isn't around to designate someone either?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:33:18) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I guess, if the treasurer went on vacation, he'd make the designation before hand.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:33:27) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Right.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:33:41) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>That language is a bit vague - the board could designate someone</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:33:52) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I think that's what we're doing :)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:34:05) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Well, yes. Nevermind :)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:34:14) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>How about the easy ammendment first.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:34:36) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Move to ammend article one of the by-laws to read "The mailing address of the corporation shall be 2515 4th Ave., Seattle, Washington. The corporation may have offices within or without this state as the board may from time to time determine or the business of the corporation may require."</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:34:45) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>as the Treasurer, let me say that I think any officer authorized by the board seems like a reasonable compromise to me</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:34:46) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Actually strike that.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:34:56) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Move to ammend article one of the by-laws to read "The mailing address of the corporation shall be 2515 4th Ave. #1108, Seattle, Washington. The corporation may have offices within or without this state as the board may from time to time determine or the business of the corporation may require."</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:35:02) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Seconded</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:35:08) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>all in faovr</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:35:10) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>favor</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:35:10) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:35:13) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:35:15) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:35:16) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:35:20) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>ayes: 3, nays: 0</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:36:19) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>move to ammend the by-laws to add the following sentence to Article IV, Section 3: "She or he shall, when duly authorized by the Board of Directors, sign and execute all contracts in the name of the Corporation."</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:36:47) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>point of info, this is the amendment about the president signing contracts, right?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:36:53) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>That's correct</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:37:05) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Seconded</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:37:22) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>all in favor say aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:37:25) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:37:27) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:37:27) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:38:05) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The ayes win</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:39:00) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The chair is finding the exact text for the next two ammendments, about who signs checks</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:40:23) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>move to amend the by-laws such that Article IV Section 5 reads: "The Treasurer shall have the care and custody of all the funds and securities of the Corporation, and shall deposit said funds in the name of the Corporation in such bank or trust company as the Directors may elect; she or he shall also sign all checks, drafts, notes, and order for the payment of money, which shall be duly authorized by the Board of Directors; she or he shall at all reasonable times exhibit her or his books and accounts to any Director upon application at the office of the Corporation during ordinary business hours. At the end of each corporate year, she or he shall have an audit of the accounts of the Corporation made by a committee appointed by the President, and shall present such audit in writing at the annual meeting of the Directors, at which time she or he shall also present an annual report setting forth in full the financial condition of the Corporation."</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:41:10) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>This is the first choice, which authorizes only the treasurer to sign checks.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:41:55) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>anyone?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:42:06) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I think this is needlessly limiting, as the criterion that the board authorize the signing remains in any case</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:42:12) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I agree</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:42:24) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>It seems only reasonable that as the Treasurer is the one responsible for the money, he/she should sign the checks</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:42:30) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Ok, the motion is dismissed.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:42:33) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>it's not like we have an enormous and confusing number of financial transactions</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:42:37) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>true</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:43:05) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>move to ammend the by-laws such that Article IV Section 1 reads: Unless otherwise provided for in the Certificate of Incorporation, the Board may elect or appoint a President, one or more Vice-Presidents, a Secretary and a Treasurer, and such other officers as it may determine, who shall have such duties, powers and functions as hereafter provided. All officers shall be elected or appointed to hold office until the annual meeting of the Board. Each officer shall hold office for the term for which she or he is elected or appointed and until her or his successor has been elected or appointed or qualified. Any officer may, with the approval of the Treasurer, sign all checks, drafts, notes, and order for the payment of money, as duly authorized by the Board of Directors</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:43:35) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>That's a motion to amend, by the way.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:43:58) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>seconded</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:44:29) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>With the approval of the Treasurer? I thought it was going to be with a majority vote from the board?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:44:38) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>if I read it correctly, both are required</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:44:48) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>It's basically what evands was describing, I think.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:44:57) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>yes, (approval && duly authorized)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:44:59) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Ah, ok</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:45:15) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>All in favor of the amendment say aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:45:19) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:45:26) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:45:27) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:45:37) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:45:45) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The ayes have it.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:46:55) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>And, for completeness, move to amend the by-laws to remove the clause that reads "she or he shall also sign all checks, drafts, notes, and order for the payment of money, which shall be duly authorized by the Board of Directors and shall be countersigned by the President"</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:47:08) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>from Article IV Section 5 (Treasurer)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:47:20) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>second</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:47:24) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>all in favor</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:47:28) Masca [salinas_v@linux.mty.itesm.mx/Lap] entered the room. (2008-05-20 20:47:33) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:47:34) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye, as elsewise we'll be killed in the next zebra crossing</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:47:42) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:47:47) Robby left the room. (2008-05-20 20:47:48) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:48:10) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>ok, cool.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:49:25) Robby [robby.is.on@jabber.org/Adium] entered the room. (2008-05-20 20:49:34) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>My next motion was to adopt a conflict of interest policy according to <a href='http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1023/ar03.html'>http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1023/ar03.html</a> but I'm getting server errors, so I'll have to defer that. Move to vote on a conflict of interest policy over e-mail instead?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:49:47) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>seconded</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:49:52) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>all in favor?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:49:54) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:49:54) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:49:55) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I can load it</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:49:59) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>would you like me to mirror it?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:50:13) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>There's a motion on the floor, dude ;)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:50:31) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:50:42) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>you can move to amend the motion to provide for you mirroring it now instead!</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:51:00) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I move to amend the motion to provide a mirror for consideration of the chair's motion</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:51:07) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>But I'd actually rather defer it because I haven't actually read it yet. :)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:51:19) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>someone decide what I'm voting on</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:51:50) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>elb: Do you want to defer voting on a conflict of interest policy that I can't load right now, or have evan mirror it?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:51:55) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Specifically, I move to amend the motion to a conflict of interest policy according <a href='http://evands.penguinmilitia.net/ar03.html'>http://evands.penguinmilitia.net/ar03.html</a> , a mirror of <a href='http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1023/ar03.html'>http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1023/ar03.html</a> as of 5/20/08 at 8:51 PM EDT</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:52:18) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>*to adopt</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:52:32) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>see, that's not really an answer to my question</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:52:34) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>(I'm fine deferring, as I haven't read it anyways, but I started this)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:52:36) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>which one am I voting on, right now</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:53:05) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>see, this is about where the rules of order thing starts breaking down on the Internet ;)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:53:40) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>That text needs to be (slightly) edited to remove the optional hostpital clauses (which are marked in the text)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:53:42) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I bet this problem is fixed on the Internet2</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:53:59) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Evan moves to adopt a conflict of interest policy according to that page he linked to, which mirrors an IRS page.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:54:07) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>does anyone second that?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:54:27) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Luke points out it's not even complete.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:54:39) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I move to amend that text to remove the clauses marked "Hospital Insert"</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:55:10) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Can we recurse into motions? I second lschiere's motion.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:56:24) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Ok, moving back down the recursive stack, now... all in favor of starting a vote on accepting the page Evan linked to, minus the "hospital insert" text, say aye.</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:56:33) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:57:12) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:57:28) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>all against say nay (you can still say aye if you want)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:57:36) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Nay</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:57:47) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>nay</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:58:11) ***markdoliner <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>shamefully hasn't read the conflict of interest policy, and would prefer to read it then vote over email</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:58:11) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>the chair votes aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:58:31) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>we've gone slow enough that I managed to read it here</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:59:24) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I actually read it when it was first floated; however, I think we should defer as it's clear that several of us have not</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:59:36) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>seconded</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:59:45) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>all in favor of defferal?</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:59:46) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>good point. I cahnge my vote to nay</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:59:53) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>(aye in favor of deferal)</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:59:56) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 20:59:59) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I agree - we should defer a vote until everyone voting is familiar with the material</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:00:02) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:00:04) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye: deferral</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:00:09) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Ayes have it.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:01:03) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Ok, the chair has one more motion.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:01:16) ***lschiere <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>motions that email voting on the text shall open on Tuesday May 27 2008, and close at midnight on Friday May 30th</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:01:58) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>does anyone second luke's motion?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:02:04) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>an email announcement will have to be sent, first, and voting will open no less than one week later</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:02:09) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>there are board members who are not present</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:02:34) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>*nods* that's why I chose that date</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:02:58) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>motion to change the dates proposed to the 28th and 31st</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:03:05) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>okay</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:03:35) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I'll take that as a 'seconded'</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:04:31) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>all in favor of mailing the board the text of that conflict of interest policy, minus the "Hospital" bit, and having an e-mail vote from the 28th through 31st of this month, say aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:04:37) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:04:41) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:04:47) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:05:10) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>all opposed say nay</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:05:14) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye, assuming the email goes out in time</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:05:16) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>:-P</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:05:20) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>the ayes have it.k</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:05:37) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>the chair notes that he will be out of the country at the time and the vice-president will have to conduct the vote.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:05:50) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>move that the vice president sends that mail out?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:05:56) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>mail is sent out</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:05:57) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>seconded</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:06:01) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>nice</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:06:04) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>thanks, Luke,.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:07:33) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Last motion from the chair: move to authorize spending $750 plus FedEx costs, for filing the 1023 tax exemption form</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:07:54) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>point of information: for what is the $750, exactly?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:07:55) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>information: this would give us 501(C) status?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:08:08) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The chair regrets not knowing how much the fedex cost.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:08:29) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>this was not in the agenda</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:08:33) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>we can't vote on this today</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:08:53) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>oh, fair point.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:09:34) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>the chair will follow-up with an e-mail that includes the bit in the 1023 that lists the $750 filing fee</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:10:20) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The lawyers have already sent the form in with payment, by the way.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:10:32) ***lschiere <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>grumbles</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:11:07) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Ok, Ethan, you have the floor</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:11:25) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>for the interest motion, or the treasurer's report?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:11:31) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>(or both)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:11:33) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>both</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:11:47) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>OK, then let me start with the treasurer's report</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:12:08) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>First, a summary of our 2007 accounts</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:12:43) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>We opened the year with $9,627.74, and closed the year with $7,810.64</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:13:45) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>we spent $801 on artwork, $775 on legal fees, $218.87 on credit card processing, $21 on bank charges, and $1.23 on postage</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:14:27) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>2008 year-to-date, we have spent $150 and have an outstanding (believed erroneous) bank service charge for $25 which I am straightening out</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:14:41) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>our current balance is $7660.64</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:14:46) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>sorry, $150 on credit card processing</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:15:20) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I make a motion that this report be approved, and remind that our books are open to any board member who wishes to review them</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:15:39) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Seconded</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:15:40) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>seconded</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:15:43) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>all in favor?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:15:46) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:15:48) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye'</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:15:48) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Point of information, what is the credit card processing for, again?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:15:57) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>good question! :-p</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:16:09) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>we have open the ability to accept credit card donations</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:16:18) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>which we've never implemented a webpage to accept</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:16:39) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Aye to the motion approving this report</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:16:42) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>the credit card processing fees were authorized so that we could readily accept donations, which we have not yet arranged as we have not yet resolved our tax-exempt status</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:16:50) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>so ... for now, they're marking time</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:16:51) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>We've also been a bit weary to do so before having our tax exemption in the bag</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:16:57) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Approved</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:17:48) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>You still have the floor, Ethan,</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:17:54) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>OK, as you were all notified, I would like to move our money to an interest-bearing account</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:18:08) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>our current account is not interest-bearing, and as you see, we are running a net deficit</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:18:51) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I would like to move that we open an appropriate interest-bearing savings account with our current banking institution (Charter One/RBS Citizens Bank) and transfer funds to it as they are available</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:19:43) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Seconded</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:19:50) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>all in favor?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:19:51) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>point of information, what went into the bank choice?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:19:59) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>oh, that's our current. good reason</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:20:11) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>yes, that is the bank we currently deal with</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:20:25) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>we can discuss changing banks if that's desired, but that would be a different motion :-)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:20:42) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Aye to the motion to open an appropriate interest-bearing savings account and transferring funds to it</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:21:07) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:21:10) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye on the savings account & transfer</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:21:32) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>point of information, what interest rate will we currently bear at Chater One/RBS Citizens Bank?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:21:57) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>one moment</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:21:59) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>(poor)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:22:34) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I don't have a current rate sheet for that</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:22:39) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I cannot answer it at this time</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:23:25) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>all against say nay, or aye if you still want to</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:23:42) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>from the numbers on their web site, we'll be looking at something under 1%</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:24:02) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>*nod* that's what it looked like to me, too; personal savings at 0.25%, 'high yield' at 1% to 2.5%</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:24:21) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>our accounts are "special", we may see higher rates than they list there, so I can't say for sure</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:24:35) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>fair. In any case, the current motion is a decided improvement</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:24:44) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>as I said, I'd be happy to discuss other options, but that's another motion; in the meantime, I just want to stop the leakage as best I can :-)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:24:47) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>and does not require an investment to make other than a minimal time investment</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:24:53) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>so:</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:24:54) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:25:57) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>going once...</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:26:22) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye, if I didn't</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:26:32) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>luke-adium, lschiere?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:26:38) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I voted aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:26:54) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Oh, I completely missed it.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:26:58) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Ayes have it.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:27:26) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>OK, then I will see to that and report back when it is completed</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:27:39) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Ok, that concludes the agenda. Does anyone else have a matter to bring before the board?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:28:12) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>a reminder that those who are watching can contact a board member with any issues they would like to raise</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:28:47) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Ok, motion to adjourn</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:29:06) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>second</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:29:07) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>a reminder that those watching can also post to <a href='mailto:discussion@imfreedom.org'>discussion@imfreedom.org</a></body></html> (2008-05-20 21:29:14) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>all in favor?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:29:19) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:29:20) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:29:21) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:29:31) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>aye</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:29:31) ***seanegan <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>bangs gavel. Thanks for coming.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:30:20) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>It would probably be pretty easy to buy Certificates of Deposit instead of using a savings account. If we don't think we'll be spending lots of money in the next year we could do that and get a better interest rate over a savings account. Usually you can withdraw funds early, but you lose the interest for the past few months</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:30:27) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>CDs suck right now</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:30:37) ***markdoliner <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>shrugs</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:30:44) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>we might also go with an ING account</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:30:46) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>(for savings)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:30:48) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>they're marginally better than a decent savings account for short (6-18mo), but a decent savings account will beat them otherwise</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:30:57) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>yeah, I think we should look at ING, but I didn't get it on the agenda</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:31:08) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>ING did not offer small business accounts until sometime since the last board meeting</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:31:18) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>ah</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:31:23) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>frankly, we don't have enough money to worry about it right now</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:31:35) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>after the 2007 SoC payment hits, and the 2008 comes, it'll be a bigger issue</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:31:43) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>we'll be doubling or tripling our balances</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:32:00) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Do we know how long it'll take to get approved as a non-profit at the national level?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:32:11) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>can you look into it sometime before those SoC payments and report to the board list?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:32:23) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>the 2007 SoC payment is supposedly in the mail</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:32:28) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>ah</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:32:33) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>You don't have to say "Supposedly" It really is :)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:32:39) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Ha ha ha</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:32:41) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>but I think lschiere was talking about 2008 :)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:32:43) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>it's supposed until it hits my mailbox</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:32:44) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I was</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:33:17) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>but yes, I can certainly look into it</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:33:32) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>(in fact, I did, just a few weeks ago, but I'll get more current info; freaking rate cuts)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:33:41) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>markdoliner: I'll find out for you</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:34:47) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I'm too am curious about the $750 filing fee</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:35:00) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>So the lawyers fronted us that money, and we're going to pay them back, basically?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:35:03) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>yeah</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:35:17) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>we've done that with all our legal filings.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:35:40) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>that filing was actually approved before the current board was formed</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:35:44) lschiere: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>my wife is impatient for this meeting to be over. I'll send an email tomorrow with both meetings minutes. I'm sorry I forgot to do that last year</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:35:44) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>it's just ... taking a while</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:35:46) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Exactly</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:35:55) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>lschiere: Oh, I banged the gavel a while ago</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:35:58) nosnilmot: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>(does the floor get to shout obscenities yet?)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:36:00) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>lschiere: Have a good evening!</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:36:05) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>thanks, Luke</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:36:19) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>apologize to your wife and tell her there's no excuse for this to have been an hour and a half</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:36:46) faceprint [faceprint@faceprint.com/Laptop] entered the room. (2008-05-20 21:36:58) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>hey Nathan</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:36:59) faceprint: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>sorry i missed it</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:37:07) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>we voted you off the island</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:37:07) faceprint: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>got stuck at work</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:37:08) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>for truancy</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:37:18) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The fee is $750 if you've made or expect to make more than $10,000 a year (which we did), or $300 otherwise</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:37:33) ***markdoliner <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>shakes his fist at the gov'ment</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:37:45) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>So, do you think we should try a conference call next time?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:37:57) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>make things flow a little easier?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:38:26) ***markdoliner <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>doesn't have a preference either way</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:38:30) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>or have a plan</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:38:35) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>one of the two ;-)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:38:57) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>A meatier plan seems like it would help a lot</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:39:11) evands left the room. (2008-05-20 21:39:29) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Ok. I'll get more organized next time</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:39:33) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I actually kind of like the pace of using a chatroom</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:39:39) nosnilmot: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I assume the meeting is officially over, and that my speaking here won't be considered an intrusion, but if you make it a conference call, please consider international observers</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:39:47) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>oh, yeah</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:39:58) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>We'll do it as a chat, but I'll just be a better chairman.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:40:08) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>If we did a conference call, do you think it'll be like a really awkward hour and a half long phone call?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:41:03) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Oh, we should write a totally awesome plugin that the participants can use that add a nice "current motion" text box" and give "aye" and "nay" voting buttons and stuff.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:41:11) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>it's bad enough sitting in front of this window for an hour and a half ;-)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:41:14) faceprint: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>haha</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:41:17) evands [tekjew@gmail.com/Adium0D9001B8] entered the room. (2008-05-20 21:41:26) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>nosnilmot: an excellent point</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:41:32) nosnilmot: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>you should add voice support and just use pidgin for your conference call :-P</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:41:44) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>seconded</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:41:54) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>evands: we're not doing that anymore</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:41:54) evands-2 [tekjew@jabber.org/Adium] entered the room. (2008-05-20 21:41:58) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>;)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:42:00) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>note that Mark (Spencer) offered an exchange for this; I'm sure he could arrange for some voip feeds for international observation ;-)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:42:08) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>seanegan: ;)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:42:49) nosnilmot: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>elb: that would be fine</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:43:13) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>(that said, I prefer chat)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:43:18) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>(faster chat)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:44:00) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I, too, prefer text, unless voice would make a very significant difference.... which I don't think it would. We really only lapsed into threaded chaos once</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:44:29) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>yeah, you can't do recursive motions ;-)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:44:59) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>no doubt we'll get another scathing email about playing office :-P</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:45:34) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I thought you could move to ammend a motion</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:45:45) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>you have to shoot the first one down first?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:46:42) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>you can move to amend</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:46:58) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>but we had a lot more than movements to amend going on</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:47:06) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>we had two motions up at the same time *plus* an amendment</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:47:07) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>or something</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:47:10) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>really? I didn't think so.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:47:15) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>It was just confusing, is all</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:47:51) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>for example: "seanegan: elb: Do you want to defer voting on a conflict of interest policy that I can't load right now, or have evan mirror it?"</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:48:04) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>that's not an up/down ;-)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:48:11) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>well, I was trying to make it clearer ;)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:48:34) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Evan moved to ammend the motion to accept the irs.gov thing to make the motion to accept the evanspage.com thing</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:48:38) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>yes, I understood the various motions on the floor, just not which one I was voting on ;-)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:48:53) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>yeah, I think that hypothetical plugin would be badass</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:49:00) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>yes, it would</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:49:45) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>"Aye" "Nay" "Request information: " "Amend: "</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:49:50) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>nosnilmot: are you listening?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:50:09) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>nosnilmot: We'll give you a spot on the board if you write it!</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:50:18) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>he can have mine</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:50:28) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Ha ha</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:50:33) faceprint: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>did we just do bylaws and conflict of interest?</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:50:51) evands-2 left the room. (2008-05-20 21:51:02) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>we deferred conflict of interest, and we voted to open an interest-bearing account</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:51:04) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>we re-elected you!</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:51:11) faceprint: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>cool</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:51:20) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>the bylaws is a bit more complicated</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:51:24) faceprint: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>hooray, more paperwork!</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:51:40) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>we did the simple amendment (change of address)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:51:53) faceprint: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>luckily only about half the paperwork vs. if we weren't non-profit</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:51:59) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>and clarified the president's signatures on contracts and international treaties</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:52:11) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>haha</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:52:23) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>and then we decided that anyone can sign a check, if I tell them to</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:52:32) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>so I'll tell Sean, since he's the only one with checks</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:52:38) faceprint: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>heh</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:52:38) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I'll send you some!</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:52:52) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>(in 10 months)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:52:59) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>That's how long it takes me to send a check</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:53:02) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>as you know</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:53:29) rekkanoryo: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>someone should bludgeon seanegan for taking 10 months to send a check :-P</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:53:39) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>seconded</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:53:47) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>yes, I'll be bludgeoning him when we get smacked with fees for trying to cash an expired check</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:54:01) rekkanoryo: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>fortunately business drafts are not staledated until 366 days after their issue date unless otherwise stated on the face of the check</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:54:46) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>the face of the check is in the mail</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:54:53) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I will be examining it when it arrives</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:54:54) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>supposedly</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:54:58) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>yeah, supposedly</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:55:00) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I don't have it yet</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:55:42) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>If it's any consolation (I don't know why it would be), I had to remove it from my own pile of checks to me of comperable age.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:55:55) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>So, it's not like I specifically have a thing against IM Freedom.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:55:55) ***nosnilmot <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>wonders what he's supposed to be writing</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:56:11) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I just hate checks, apparently.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:56:27) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I know I do</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:56:38) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>primitive pieces of apper</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:56:39) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>paper</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:56:47) nosnilmot: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>they're cheques :-P</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:56:54) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>we wish</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:57:00) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>because they they wouldn't be in USD</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:57:07) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>in which case it would have *appreciated* over the past 10 months</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:57:16) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>instead of plummeting through the floor</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:57:45) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>alright, time to head home.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:57:51) nosnilmot: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>heh, I have a USD cheque book</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:57:55) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Sorry for the poorly chaired meeting!</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:58:07) seanegan: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>See you guys later.</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:58:11) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>'night</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:58:17) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>yeah the bank sometimes calls them cheques</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:58:23) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I think they just want to sound fancy</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:58:36) rekkanoryo: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>checks need to die quicker than they are</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:58:38) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>like how bills are actually "bank notes" but no one calls them that</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:58:53) markdoliner: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>seanegan: Peace be with you</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:58:55) nosnilmot: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I think it's because it's a USD account in the UK (which is such a bad idea)</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:58:59) evands: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>'night, all</body></html> (2008-05-20 21:59:30) elb: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>nosnilmot: can you see the value falling out of it?</body></html> (2008-05-20 22:00:44) nosnilmot: <html xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/xhtml-im'><body xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>it's dripping with lost value</body></html> (2008-05-20 22:01:38) evands left the room. 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