From seanegan at gmail.com  Wed Feb  1 15:10:14 2012
From: seanegan at gmail.com (Sean Egan)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:10:14 -0800
Subject: Delaware tax filing
Message-ID: <CAAjOU9JPomw_43KkFMLm4-XGZo26+iKk1kZ8-eErhuqzXHvGxg@mail.gmail.com>

I got mail from our new Delaware agent, NRAI, that we're required to
file a Delaware annual financial report and tax statement at
https://www.nrai.com/CorporateeFile/Overview/tabid/169/Default.aspx by
March 1st. This is the filing we failed to do with the old agent,
which led to us being classified as inactive by the state.

Ethan, can you take care of this filing? I can help with anything you need.

-Sean.

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From elb at pidgin.im  Wed Feb  1 15:18:21 2012
From: elb at pidgin.im (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 15:18:21 -0500
Subject: Delaware tax filing
In-Reply-To: <CAAjOU9JPomw_43KkFMLm4-XGZo26+iKk1kZ8-eErhuqzXHvGxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAjOU9JPomw_43KkFMLm4-XGZo26+iKk1kZ8-eErhuqzXHvGxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120201201821.GA25056@colt>

Sean Egan spake unto us the following wisdom:
> I got mail from our new Delaware agent, NRAI, that we're required to
> file a Delaware annual financial report and tax statement at
> https://www.nrai.com/CorporateeFile/Overview/tabid/169/Default.aspx by
> March 1st. This is the filing we failed to do with the old agent,
> which led to us being classified as inactive by the state.
> 
> Ethan, can you take care of this filing? I can help with anything you need.

I certainly can.  I'll take care of this when I send in our IRS
postcard.

Ethan
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From seanegan at gmail.com  Wed Feb  1 15:24:02 2012
From: seanegan at gmail.com (Sean Egan)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:24:02 -0800
Subject: Delaware tax filing
In-Reply-To: <20120201201821.GA25056@colt>
References: <CAAjOU9JPomw_43KkFMLm4-XGZo26+iKk1kZ8-eErhuqzXHvGxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120201201821.GA25056@colt>
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Thank you.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Ethan Blanton <elb at pidgin.im> wrote:
> Sean Egan spake unto us the following wisdom:
>> I got mail from our new Delaware agent, NRAI, that we're required to
>> file a Delaware annual financial report and tax statement at
>> https://www.nrai.com/CorporateeFile/Overview/tabid/169/Default.aspx by
>> March 1st. This is the filing we failed to do with the old agent,
>> which led to us being classified as inactive by the state.
>>
>> Ethan, can you take care of this filing? I can help with anything you need.
>
> I certainly can. ?I'll take care of this when I send in our IRS
> postcard.
>
> Ethan
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From mark at kingant.net  Thu Feb  9 12:49:08 2012
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:49:08 -0800
Subject: Delaware tax filing
In-Reply-To: <E224911B-2226-4920-BD5E-A89BE0B07BEC@adium.im>
References: <CAAjOU9JPomw_43KkFMLm4-XGZo26+iKk1kZ8-eErhuqzXHvGxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120201201821.GA25056@colt>
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Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV4KK9Y=o_svM4JCz+ONku7RMMP_aGZAS_fzdny1xLBOQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Cool, thanks, Evan. ?For the benefit of anyone curious, non-profits
that have less than $50,000 income per year aren't required to submit
a full tax return. ?Instead we just submit something they refer to as
a "postcard," which basically just says "hey, we're alive and don't
have much income."

Some details here:?http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=169250,00.html

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From elb at pidgin.im  Thu Feb  9 13:58:08 2012
From: elb at pidgin.im (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 13:58:08 -0500
Subject: Delaware tax filing
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV4KK9Y=o_svM4JCz+ONku7RMMP_aGZAS_fzdny1xLBOQQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAjOU9JPomw_43KkFMLm4-XGZo26+iKk1kZ8-eErhuqzXHvGxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120201201821.GA25056@colt>
	<52BE62D0-48CC-45D8-B303-2F09013DF938@adium.im>
	<E224911B-2226-4920-BD5E-A89BE0B07BEC@adium.im>
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Message-ID: <20120209185808.GA31286@colt>

Mark Doliner spake unto us the following wisdom:
> Cool, thanks, Evan. ?For the benefit of anyone curious, non-profits
> that have less than $50,000 income per year aren't required to submit
> a full tax return. ?Instead we just submit something they refer to as
> a "postcard," which basically just says "hey, we're alive and don't
> have much income."
> 
> Some details here:?http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=169250,00.html

Just to be clear, though, we do have to collect and file documents
such as the 1099 that Evan sent in, in case the IRS comes knocking --
which they can do, if they choose.

Ethan

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From evan at adium.im  Wed Feb  8 23:53:27 2012
From: evan at adium.im (Evan Schoenberg, M.D.)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:53:27 -0600
Subject: Delaware tax filing
In-Reply-To: <52BE62D0-48CC-45D8-B303-2F09013DF938@adium.im>
References: <CAAjOU9JPomw_43KkFMLm4-XGZo26+iKk1kZ8-eErhuqzXHvGxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120201201821.GA25056@colt>
	<52BE62D0-48CC-45D8-B303-2F09013DF938@adium.im>
Message-ID: <E224911B-2226-4920-BD5E-A89BE0B07BEC@adium.im>


On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:31 PM, Evan Schoenberg, M.D. wrote:

> On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Ethan Blanton wrote:
> 
>> Sean Egan spake unto us the following wisdom:
>>> I got mail from our new Delaware agent, NRAI, that we're required to
>>> file a Delaware annual financial report and tax statement at
>>> https://www.nrai.com/CorporateeFile/Overview/tabid/169/Default.aspx by
>>> March 1st. This is the filing we failed to do with the old agent,
>>> which led to us being classified as inactive by the state.
>>> 
>>> Ethan, can you take care of this filing? I can help with anything you need.
>> 
>> I certainly can.  I'll take care of this when I send in our IRS
>> postcard.
> 
Speadshirt sent me a 1099-MISC for the $610 they deposited into the imfreedom account for sales in the Adium merchandise store. Although it has my name on it, it's really for IM Freedom, with our proper tax-exempt identification number.  The document -- kindly torn by my wife who apparently, despite at least 25 years experience reading the English language, is unable to follow "fold and tear as instructed to open envelope" instructions -- is attached.

-Evan
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From evan at adium.im  Tue Feb 28 22:50:25 2012
From: evan at adium.im (Evan Schoenberg, M.D.)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:50:25 -0600
Subject: Adium, IMF, and the Mac Developer ID
Message-ID: <A6EA1D64-D2F8-452D-BE5E-D77EB796BF26@adium.im>

As some of you may already be aware, Apple is introducing a feature called "Gate Keeper" with its upcoming OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion" release.   This will by default block the use of applications which aren't digitally signed with a certificate issued by Apple. That certificate is keyed to a specific Developer ID, which will be name/company verified and is revokable.

I would like to register an Apple Developer ID specifically for Adium's distribution under the auspices of IMF.

I suggest I register it with an email address "adium at imfreedom.org" and company listed as "Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc."  (That company name will show up if the user manually validates the code signing). We could over-engineer for the possibility of another OS X IM app being under the IMF umbrella, if needed, but I think this is the easiest route.

To do so, I would need an email forwarder for adium at imfreedom.org to evan at adium.im (and of course we could change this is I were no longer the point of contact for whatever reason). If this is okay, could a server admin please add that alias?

I have Adium-donated funds available for purposes of the necessary membership fee; there will be no charges to IMF, and I won't need reimbursement from IMF.

Off topic: It's worth noting that this digital signature is not embedded in the executable code and that the user may choose to disable certificate checking via a systemwide preference; it is therefore not a GPL violation to distribute an application signed in this way. Philosophically, there's an argument to be made about the way Apple is currently implementing this, as a $99/year membership is required to obtain such a certificate, and distribution of signed apps by anonymous individuals is tricky at best and impossible at worst.  My hope is that the Developer ID certificate program will be made free by the time OS X 10.8 is public, several months from now. We shall see.

Best,
Evan
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From lschiere at pidgin.im  Tue Feb 28 23:28:57 2012
From: lschiere at pidgin.im (Luke Schierer)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:28:57 -0500
Subject: Adium, IMF, and the Mac Developer ID
In-Reply-To: <A6EA1D64-D2F8-452D-BE5E-D77EB796BF26@adium.im>
References: <A6EA1D64-D2F8-452D-BE5E-D77EB796BF26@adium.im>
Message-ID: <20120229042856.GA14297@rock.pidgin.im>

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 09:50:25PM -0600, Evan Schoenberg, M.D. wrote:
> As some of you may already be aware, Apple is introducing a feature called "Gate Keeper" with its upcoming OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion" release.   This will by default block the use of applications which aren't digitally signed with a certificate issued by Apple. That certificate is keyed to a specific Developer ID, which will be name/company verified and is revokable.
> 
> I would like to register an Apple Developer ID specifically for Adium's distribution under the auspices of IMF.
> 
> I suggest I register it with an email address "adium at imfreedom.org" and company listed as "Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc."  (That company name will show up if the user manually validates the code signing). We could over-engineer for the possibility of another OS X IM app being under the IMF umbrella, if needed, but I think this is the easiest route.
> 
> To do so, I would need an email forwarder for adium at imfreedom.org to evan at adium.im (and of course we could change this is I were no longer the point of contact for whatever reason). If this is okay, could a server admin please add that alias?
> 
> I have Adium-donated funds available for purposes of the necessary membership fee; there will be no charges to IMF, and I won't need reimbursement from IMF.
> 
> Off topic: It's worth noting that this digital signature is not embedded in the executable code and that the user may choose to disable certificate checking via a systemwide preference; it is therefore not a GPL violation to distribute an application signed in this way. Philosophically, there's an argument to be made about the way Apple is currently implementing this, as a $99/year membership is required to obtain such a certificate, and distribution of signed apps by anonymous individuals is tricky at best and impossible at worst.  My hope is that the Developer ID certificate program will be made free by the time OS X 10.8 is public, several months from now. We shall see.
> 
> Best,
> Evan

I have no problems with the email alias, though I don't right now know how to set one up for only one domain.  I've put it in place.

Presumably there is some sort of agreement to get such a cert.  Can you forward that to the list?

Luke


From lschiere at pidgin.im  Tue Feb 28 23:58:42 2012
From: lschiere at pidgin.im (Luke Schierer)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:58:42 -0500
Subject: Adium, IMF, and the Mac Developer ID
In-Reply-To: <8F93F822-96DA-4666-8250-1CD2B08ACDBA@adium.im>
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On Feb 28, 2012, at 23:57 EST, Evan Schoenberg, M.D. wrote:

> 
> On Feb 28, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Luke Schierer wrote:
> 
>> Presumably there is some sort of agreement to get such a cert.  Can you forward that to the list?
> 
> The Developer Program license agreement is attached.
> 
> <registered_apple_developer_20100301.pdf>
> 
> Note to anyone who remembers the discussion of November 2010: This is not the same agreement.  This is just the 'Registered Apple Developer Agreement'. We previously discussed the 'Mac Developer Program License Agreement' which governed the iTunes App Store. It became a moot point because we determined that distribution in the App Store required licensing incompatible with the GPL.
> 
> Is IMF's principal place of business still 120 Wesklake Ave N, Seattle, WA 98109 (while we have a corporate presence in Delaware)?
> 
> -Evan

I do remember that discussion, and that's why I asked about the agreement.  I'm glad to hear it isn't the same one. 

Luke

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From seanegan at gmail.com  Wed Feb 29 13:50:44 2012
From: seanegan at gmail.com (Sean Egan)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:50:44 -0800
Subject: Adium, IMF, and the Mac Developer ID
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On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Luke Schierer <lschiere at pidgin.im> wrote:
>
> On Feb 28, 2012, at 23:57 EST, Evan Schoenberg, M.D. wrote:
>
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Luke Schierer wrote:
>>
>>> Presumably there is some sort of agreement to get such a cert. ?Can you forward that to the list?
>>
>> The Developer Program license agreement is attached.
>>
>> <registered_apple_developer_20100301.pdf>

Evan,

Did you perhaps forget to reply-all? I don't think I got your e-mail.

>> Note to anyone who remembers the discussion of November 2010: This is not the same agreement. ?This is just the 'Registered Apple Developer Agreement'. We previously discussed the 'Mac Developer Program License Agreement' which governed the iTunes App Store. It became a moot point because we determined that distribution in the App Store required licensing incompatible with the GPL.
>>
>> Is IMF's principal place of business still 120 Wesklake Ave N, Seattle, WA 98109 (while we have a corporate presence in Delaware)?
>>
>> -Evan
>
> I do remember that discussion, and that's why I asked about the agreement. ?I'm glad to hear it isn't the same one.
>
> Luke
>
>
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From elb at pidgin.im  Wed Feb 29 13:51:55 2012
From: elb at pidgin.im (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:51:55 -0500
Subject: Adium, IMF, and the Mac Developer ID
In-Reply-To: <20120229042856.GA14297@rock.pidgin.im>
References: <A6EA1D64-D2F8-452D-BE5E-D77EB796BF26@adium.im>
	<20120229042856.GA14297@rock.pidgin.im>
Message-ID: <20120229185155.GA6087@colt>

Luke Schierer spake unto us the following wisdom:
> Presumably there is some sort of agreement to get such a cert.  Can
> you forward that to the list?

Evan, this didn't go to the list.  If it's publicly available at
apple.com, a link is fine as well.

For the record, assuming there are no odious or incompatible terms in
the agreement (which seems unlikely given that Apple is involved, but
we'll see), I have no problem with this.  I do not view signing
binaries to vouch for authenticity as a violation of the GPL -- we
sign our tarballs, after all.  If and when Apple requires *all*
binaries to be signed, their _OS_ may be GPL-incompatible, but we'll
cross that bridge when we come to it.  While Apple is technologically
incompetent in many areas, and dictatorially inclined in many others,
I don't think they're quite stupid or greedy enough to shut out all
GPL software.  For one thing, it would cause problems for their
toolchain.  ;-)

Ethan
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From evan at adium.im  Wed Feb 29 20:20:35 2012
From: evan at adium.im (Evan Schoenberg, M.D.)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:20:35 -0600
Subject: Adium, IMF, and the Mac Developer ID
In-Reply-To: <20120229185155.GA6087@colt>
References: <A6EA1D64-D2F8-452D-BE5E-D77EB796BF26@adium.im>
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Message-ID: <B03C07D7-FE46-4385-AB1D-596CB1A97755@adium.im>


On Feb 29, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Ethan Blanton wrote:

> Luke Schierer spake unto us the following wisdom:
>> Presumably there is some sort of agreement to get such a cert.  Can
>> you forward that to the list?
> 
> Evan, this didn't go to the list.  If it's publicly available at
> apple.com, a link is fine as well.

I did reply-to-all, but it got held for moderator approval for being above the list's max file size:

On February 28, 2012 10:57:37 PM CST, discussion-bounces at imfreedom.org wrote:
>    Message body is too big: 94374 bytes with a limit of 40 KB


Here's the link: https://developer.apple.com/programs/terms/registered_apple_developer_20100301.pdf

> For the record, assuming there are no odious or incompatible terms in
> the agreement (which seems unlikely given that Apple is involved, but
> we'll see), I have no problem with this.

I'm not a lawyer, but my read of this agreement is that it's quite benign.

-Evan
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From evan at adium.im  Tue Feb 28 23:57:15 2012
From: evan at adium.im (Evan Schoenberg, M.D.)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:57:15 -0600
Subject: Adium, IMF, and the Mac Developer ID
In-Reply-To: <20120229042856.GA14297@rock.pidgin.im>
References: <A6EA1D64-D2F8-452D-BE5E-D77EB796BF26@adium.im>
	<20120229042856.GA14297@rock.pidgin.im>
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On Feb 28, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Luke Schierer wrote:

> Presumably there is some sort of agreement to get such a cert.  Can you forward that to the list?

The Developer Program license agreement is attached.

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Note to anyone who remembers the discussion of November 2010: This is not the same agreement.  This is just the 'Registered Apple Developer Agreement'. We previously discussed the 'Mac Developer Program License Agreement' which governed the iTunes App Store. It became a moot point because we determined that distribution in the App Store required licensing incompatible with the GPL.

Is IMF's principal place of business still 120 Wesklake Ave N, Seattle, WA 98109 (while we have a corporate presence in Delaware)?

-Evan

