From evan at adium.im  Thu Mar  1 16:57:43 2012
From: evan at adium.im (Evan Schoenberg, M.D.)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 15:57:43 -0600
Subject: Principal place of business?
Message-ID: <511D060A-6566-4EBC-B39D-A1DDB5165441@adium.im>

What address is the IMF principal place of business at this point?

-Evan


From elb at pidgin.im  Tue Mar  6 09:53:50 2012
From: elb at pidgin.im (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 09:53:50 -0500
Subject: Delaware tax filing
In-Reply-To: <CAAjOU9JPomw_43KkFMLm4-XGZo26+iKk1kZ8-eErhuqzXHvGxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAjOU9JPomw_43KkFMLm4-XGZo26+iKk1kZ8-eErhuqzXHvGxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120306145350.GA8565@colt>

Sean Egan spake unto us the following wisdom:
> I got mail from our new Delaware agent, NRAI, that we're required to
> file a Delaware annual financial report and tax statement at
> https://www.nrai.com/CorporateeFile/Overview/tabid/169/Default.aspx by
> March 1st. This is the filing we failed to do with the old agent,
> which led to us being classified as inactive by the state.
> 
> Ethan, can you take care of this filing? I can help with anything you need.

All,

I messed up here.  I assumed that financial reports and taxes would
not be due before Apr 15 (per Federal individual filing date) or May
15 (per Federal nonprofit filing date), despite the fact that Sean
clearly said Mar 1 in his email.

I started the process of handling this yesterday, Mar 5, and am
completing it today, Mar 6.  As you may notice, both of these dates
are after Mar 1.  For this reason, we owe a late filing penalty of
$125.00, plus interest of $1.88.  I assume the interest will continue
to rise until the filing is complete.  The original filing fee is $25,
so at this point, we owe $151.88.

Because the late filing penalty is larger than the incidental expenses
amount approved in our by-laws, I would like to ask the board to
approve payment of this amount.  I am going to pay it out of pocket in
the meantime, to halt interest accrual and put us in good standing
with the State.

Sean, I think you have the current contact information for the board.
I need from you the official corporate address and the addresses of
the board members, please.

This situation is entirely my fault, and was avoidable.  I am sorry I
have allowed it to happen.

Ethan
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From seanegan at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 13:01:12 2012
From: seanegan at gmail.com (Sean Egan)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:01:12 -0800
Subject: Delaware tax filing
In-Reply-To: <20120306145350.GA8565@colt>
References: <CAAjOU9JPomw_43KkFMLm4-XGZo26+iKk1kZ8-eErhuqzXHvGxg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Ethan Blanton <elb at pidgin.im> wrote:
> Sean Egan spake unto us the following wisdom:
>> I got mail from our new Delaware agent, NRAI, that we're required to
>> file a Delaware annual financial report and tax statement at
>> https://www.nrai.com/CorporateeFile/Overview/tabid/169/Default.aspx by
>> March 1st. This is the filing we failed to do with the old agent,
>> which led to us being classified as inactive by the state.
>>
>> Ethan, can you take care of this filing? I can help with anything you need.
>
> All,
>
> I messed up here. ?I assumed that financial reports and taxes would
> not be due before Apr 15 (per Federal individual filing date) or May
> 15 (per Federal nonprofit filing date), despite the fact that Sean
> clearly said Mar 1 in his email.
>
> I started the process of handling this yesterday, Mar 5, and am
> completing it today, Mar 6. ?As you may notice, both of these dates
> are after Mar 1. ?For this reason, we owe a late filing penalty of
> $125.00, plus interest of $1.88. ?I assume the interest will continue
> to rise until the filing is complete. ?The original filing fee is $25,
> so at this point, we owe $151.88.

I'm in favor of paying this full amount. I'll send you addresses off-list.

What is the $1.88 interest on? The $25 filing fee? 7.5% in four days
seems excessive.

> Because the late filing penalty is larger than the incidental expenses
> amount approved in our by-laws, I would like to ask the board to
> approve payment of this amount. ?I am going to pay it out of pocket in
> the meantime, to halt interest accrual and put us in good standing
> with the State.
>
> Sean, I think you have the current contact information for the board.
> I need from you the official corporate address and the addresses of
> the board members, please.
>
> This situation is entirely my fault, and was avoidable. ?I am sorry I
> have allowed it to happen.
>
> Ethan
>
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From elb at pidgin.im  Tue Mar  6 13:05:10 2012
From: elb at pidgin.im (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 13:05:10 -0500
Subject: Delaware tax filing
In-Reply-To: <CAAjOU9LF9kLXR9Kc8uMm8s6WeaFNZ0hS5TT-DH5GZ6L7MzpxaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAjOU9JPomw_43KkFMLm4-XGZo26+iKk1kZ8-eErhuqzXHvGxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120306145350.GA8565@colt>
	<CAAjOU9LF9kLXR9Kc8uMm8s6WeaFNZ0hS5TT-DH5GZ6L7MzpxaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120306180510.GA10416@colt>

Sean Egan spake unto us the following wisdom:
> > I started the process of handling this yesterday, Mar 5, and am
> > completing it today, Mar 6. ?As you may notice, both of these dates
> > are after Mar 1. ?For this reason, we owe a late filing penalty of
> > $125.00, plus interest of $1.88. ?I assume the interest will continue
> > to rise until the filing is complete. ?The original filing fee is $25,
> > so at this point, we owe $151.88.
> 
> I'm in favor of paying this full amount. I'll send you addresses off-list.
> 
> What is the $1.88 interest on? The $25 filing fee? 7.5% in four days
> seems excessive.

The answer to that question is not clear from the online forms.

Ethan
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From mark at kingant.net  Tue Mar  6 13:48:18 2012
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:48:18 -0800
Subject: Delaware tax filing
In-Reply-To: <20120306145350.GA8565@colt>
References: <CAAjOU9JPomw_43KkFMLm4-XGZo26+iKk1kZ8-eErhuqzXHvGxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120306145350.GA8565@colt>
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On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Ethan Blanton <elb at pidgin.im> wrote:
> we owe a late filing penalty of
> $125.00, plus interest of $1.88. ?I assume the interest will continue
> to rise until the filing is complete. ?The original filing fee is $25,
> so at this point, we owe $151.88.  I would like to ask the board to
> approve payment of this amount.

I approve paying that amount.

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From evan at adium.im  Tue Mar  6 14:23:17 2012
From: evan at adium.im (Evan Schoenberg)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 13:23:17 -0600
Subject: Delaware tax filing
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV7exrFN_qKZcwRAgao+BGbVmQrC7SMJtJDHzV1puH4rZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAjOU9JPomw_43KkFMLm4-XGZo26+iKk1kZ8-eErhuqzXHvGxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120306145350.GA8565@colt>
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Message-ID: <055DC042-31EF-444F-B363-78ADCBDDCA88@adium.im>





On Mar 6, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Ethan Blanton <elb at pidgin.im> wrote:
>> we owe a late filing penalty of
>> $125.00, plus interest of $1.88.  I assume the interest will continue
>> to rise until the filing is complete.  The original filing fee is $25,
>> so at this point, we owe $151.88.  I would like to ask the board to
>> approve payment of this amount.
> 
> I approve paying that amount.

I also vote my approval.

Ethan, I would have assumed the same regarding the dates. Don't beat yourself up over the missed deadline.

-Evan



> 
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> Board at imfreedom.org
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From seanegan at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 16:42:18 2012
From: seanegan at gmail.com (Sean Egan)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 13:42:18 -0800
Subject: Adium, IMF, and the Mac Developer ID
In-Reply-To: <CAAjOU9KM3=o4d+pnQZ3xDgggAfn8K_2u2J54Ly8vga_OsWXxkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A6EA1D64-D2F8-452D-BE5E-D77EB796BF26@adium.im>
	<20120229042856.GA14297@rock.pidgin.im>
	<8F93F822-96DA-4666-8250-1CD2B08ACDBA@adium.im>
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Message-ID: <CAAjOU9J+p7rGuNQsk=qqom8OMSu62rbs5W8znOHxAphD7FtrJw@mail.gmail.com>

I sent the agreement to oru SFLC lawyer, and he sees no reason we
couldn't agree to these terms.

-Sean.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Sean Egan <seanegan at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Luke Schierer <lschiere at pidgin.im> wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 23:57 EST, Evan Schoenberg, M.D. wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Luke Schierer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Presumably there is some sort of agreement to get such a cert. ?Can you forward that to the list?
>>>
>>> The Developer Program license agreement is attached.
>>>
>>> <registered_apple_developer_20100301.pdf>
>
> Evan,
>
> Did you perhaps forget to reply-all? I don't think I got your e-mail.
>
>>> Note to anyone who remembers the discussion of November 2010: This is not the same agreement. ?This is just the 'Registered Apple Developer Agreement'. We previously discussed the 'Mac Developer Program License Agreement' which governed the iTunes App Store. It became a moot point because we determined that distribution in the App Store required licensing incompatible with the GPL.
>>>
>>> Is IMF's principal place of business still 120 Wesklake Ave N, Seattle, WA 98109 (while we have a corporate presence in Delaware)?
>>>
>>> -Evan
>>
>> I do remember that discussion, and that's why I asked about the agreement. ?I'm glad to hear it isn't the same one.
>>
>> Luke
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discussion mailing list
>> Discussion at imfreedom.org
>> http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussion
>>


From elb at pidgin.im  Tue Mar  6 16:57:15 2012
From: elb at pidgin.im (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 16:57:15 -0500
Subject: Adium, IMF, and the Mac Developer ID
In-Reply-To: <CAAjOU9J+p7rGuNQsk=qqom8OMSu62rbs5W8znOHxAphD7FtrJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A6EA1D64-D2F8-452D-BE5E-D77EB796BF26@adium.im>
	<20120229042856.GA14297@rock.pidgin.im>
	<8F93F822-96DA-4666-8250-1CD2B08ACDBA@adium.im>
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Message-ID: <20120306215715.GA13485@colt>

Sean Egan spake unto us the following wisdom:
> I sent the agreement to oru SFLC lawyer, and he sees no reason we
> couldn't agree to these terms.

That being the case, I have no problem with this.

As to whether we want to use adium@ or another address ... I have no
strong opinion.  Certainly Adium is the only software I can see being
released under an IMF account in the foreseeable future, so I would
say adium@ is fine, and we can cross that bridge if we ever come to
it.

Ethan
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From evan at adium.im  Tue Mar  6 18:59:19 2012
From: evan at adium.im (Evan Schoenberg, M.D.)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 17:59:19 -0600
Subject: WHOIS record for imfreedom.org
Message-ID: <5D7787E2-13AA-43F7-A004-4ABE7AFA7069@adium.im>

FYI: While going back and forth with Apple about our registration, I've noted that our WHOIS information for imfreedom.org is not current.

-Evan

From evan at adium.im  Tue Mar  6 19:12:20 2012
From: evan at adium.im (Evan Schoenberg, M.D.)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 18:12:20 -0600
Subject: Adium, IMF, and the Mac Developer ID
In-Reply-To: <CAAjOU9J+p7rGuNQsk=qqom8OMSu62rbs5W8znOHxAphD7FtrJw@mail.gmail.com>
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Great, thanks for the followup.  I've agreed with the terms and gone ahead and registered as adium at imfreedom.org. We could always change the contact email if there were a need further down the line.

-Evan

On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Sean Egan wrote:

> I sent the agreement to oru SFLC lawyer, and he sees no reason we
> couldn't agree to these terms.
> 
> -Sean.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Sean Egan <seanegan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Luke Schierer <lschiere at pidgin.im> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 23:57 EST, Evan Schoenberg, M.D. wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Luke Schierer wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Presumably there is some sort of agreement to get such a cert.  Can you forward that to the list?
>>>> 
>>>> The Developer Program license agreement is attached.
>>>> 
>>>> <registered_apple_developer_20100301.pdf>
>> 
>> Evan,
>> 
>> Did you perhaps forget to reply-all? I don't think I got your e-mail.
>> 
>>>> Note to anyone who remembers the discussion of November 2010: This is not the same agreement.  This is just the 'Registered Apple Developer Agreement'. We previously discussed the 'Mac Developer Program License Agreement' which governed the iTunes App Store. It became a moot point because we determined that distribution in the App Store required licensing incompatible with the GPL.
>>>> 
>>>> Is IMF's principal place of business still 120 Wesklake Ave N, Seattle, WA 98109 (while we have a corporate presence in Delaware)?
>>>> 
>>>> -Evan
>>> 
>>> I do remember that discussion, and that's why I asked about the agreement.  I'm glad to hear it isn't the same one.
>>> 
>>> Luke
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discussion mailing list
>>> Discussion at imfreedom.org
>>> http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussion
>>> 


From lschiere at pidgin.im  Tue Mar  6 21:30:24 2012
From: lschiere at pidgin.im (Luke Schierer)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:30:24 -0500
Subject: Delaware tax filing
In-Reply-To: <055DC042-31EF-444F-B363-78ADCBDDCA88@adium.im>
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I vote to pay the full amount.

Luke

On Mar 6, 2012, at 14:23 EST, Evan Schoenberg wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 6, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Ethan Blanton <elb at pidgin.im> wrote:
>>> we owe a late filing penalty of
>>> $125.00, plus interest of $1.88.  I assume the interest will continue
>>> to rise until the filing is complete.  The original filing fee is $25,
>>> so at this point, we owe $151.88.  I would like to ask the board to
>>> approve payment of this amount.
>> 
>> I approve paying that amount.
> 
> I also vote my approval.
> 
> Ethan, I would have assumed the same regarding the dates. Don't beat yourself up over the missed deadline.
> 
> -Evan
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Board mailing list
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>> http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/board
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From mark at kingant.net  Sat Mar 10 17:20:57 2012
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:20:57 -0800
Subject: PayPal account for IMF
Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV7+y8RemLa7RpiAfy=-hcvG9NzOheKp6gbi_MQsyf8=Tw@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to open a PayPal account for IMF.  There's a specific use
case I have in mind that I'd prefer not to mention publicly, but we
also might want to use this account for other things:

- I created http://imfreedom.spreadshirt.com/ and
http://www.zazzle.com/imfreedom a while ago.  We haven't advertised
these anywhere, but I'd like to start (with a disclaimer that we only
get a few dollars from each sale, and that plain donations are a more
effective way to donate).  Royalty payments from Spreadshirt can be
paid either by PayPal or by direct deposit into a US bank account.  In
this case direct deposit seems easier to me (and it's possible PayPal
charges a fee for this).  Royalty payments from a Zazzle store can be
paid either via PayPal or by mailing a check.  In this case PayPal
seems easier (and I believe PayPal does NOT charge a fee for payments
from Zazzle).

- We could easily accept donations through PayPal.  I don't think we
need to be pushy about this, but it might be interesting to throw a
Donate button on http://pidgin.im/ and see what happens.

In short, there are a few reasons why it might be useful for IMF to
have this account, and I don't believe it will cost us in any way.
But maybe people have moral objections to PayPal?

Proposal:
Shall Mark Doliner or Ethan Blanton (treasurer--might be easier for
him) open a PayPal business account on behalf of Instant Messaging
Freedom, Inc., for the purposes of accepting funds for the
organization?

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From evan at adium.im  Sat Mar 10 18:01:56 2012
From: evan at adium.im (Evan Schoenberg, M.D.)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:01:56 -0600
Subject: PayPal account for IMF
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV7+y8RemLa7RpiAfy=-hcvG9NzOheKp6gbi_MQsyf8=Tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV7+y8RemLa7RpiAfy=-hcvG9NzOheKp6gbi_MQsyf8=Tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DACA74F-13CC-44C0-A826-F6181BE5A99B@adium.im>


On Mar 10, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Mark Doliner wrote:

> I'd like to open a PayPal account for IMF.  There's a specific use
> case I have in mind that I'd prefer not to mention publicly, but we
> also might want to use this account for other things:
> 
> - I created http://imfreedom.spreadshirt.com/ and
> http://www.zazzle.com/imfreedom a while ago.  We haven't advertised
> these anywhere, but I'd like to start (with a disclaimer that we only
> get a few dollars from each sale, and that plain donations are a more
> effective way to donate).  Royalty payments from Spreadshirt can be
> paid either by PayPal or by direct deposit into a US bank account.  In
> this case direct deposit seems easier to me (and it's possible PayPal
> charges a fee for this).  Royalty payments from a Zazzle store can be
> paid either via PayPal or by mailing a check.  In this case PayPal
> seems easier (and I believe PayPal does NOT charge a fee for payments
> from Zazzle).

Having done this for Adium, I can comment: It's great that folks can get officially sanctioned merchandise and contribute a bit in the process.  That said, it hasn't been a very active storefront for us; my guess is that most of the existing user base doesn't actually go to the website with any frequency.

> - We could easily accept donations through PayPal.  I don't think we
> need to be pushy about this, but it might be interesting to throw a
> Donate button on http://pidgin.im/ and see what happens.

Adium has done this for quite some time, as well.  Again, not hugely active for us, but certainly not harmful, and it has generated plenty of funds to cover the build machines we use and things like Apple developer program membership.

> In short, there are a few reasons why it might be useful for IMF to
> have this account, and I don't believe it will cost us in any way.
> But maybe people have moral objections to PayPal?

"Yeah, but it's the only game in town!"

Just kidding.  I think the low cost of entry makes this a viable impulse-donation system for users, many of whom already have an account.  I've never had issues with them and don't object to it.

> 
> Proposal:
> Shall Mark Doliner or Ethan Blanton (treasurer--might be easier for
> him) open a PayPal business account on behalf of Instant Messaging
> Freedom, Inc., for the purposes of accepting funds for the
> organization?

I vote yes.

-Evan

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From mark at kingant.net  Sat Mar 10 19:17:12 2012
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 16:17:12 -0800
Subject: PayPal account for IMF
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV7+y8RemLa7RpiAfy=-hcvG9NzOheKp6gbi_MQsyf8=Tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV7+y8RemLa7RpiAfy=-hcvG9NzOheKp6gbi_MQsyf8=Tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV4wvEwd-EzkNdMKr3cYyCfa9tixW1RDQyyBt=7kKdLhQg@mail.gmail.com>

Oh!  And are we supposed to wait 1 week before voting on a propsal?
Am I remembering that correctly?  If so, I'll send out another email
in a week to actually kick off the vote.

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From lschiere at pidgin.im  Sat Mar 10 19:25:17 2012
From: lschiere at pidgin.im (Luke Schierer)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 19:25:17 -0500
Subject: PayPal account for IMF
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV4wvEwd-EzkNdMKr3cYyCfa9tixW1RDQyyBt=7kKdLhQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV7+y8RemLa7RpiAfy=-hcvG9NzOheKp6gbi_MQsyf8=Tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPZ8mV4wvEwd-EzkNdMKr3cYyCfa9tixW1RDQyyBt=7kKdLhQg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mar 10, 2012, at 19:17 EST, Mark Doliner wrote:

> Oh!  And are we supposed to wait 1 week before voting on a propsal?
> Am I remembering that correctly?  If so, I'll send out another email
> in a week to actually kick off the vote.

We are.  Voting will open on 2012/03/17, and close on 2012/03/24 or after it becomes obvious that the motion has passed, which ever comes first.

I will try to send out a second email on the 17th.

Luke

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From rekkanoryo at pidgin.im  Fri Mar 16 19:15:40 2012
From: rekkanoryo at pidgin.im (John Bailey)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:15:40 -0400
Subject: Delaware tax filing
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On 03/06/2012 09:30 PM, Luke Schierer wrote:
> I vote to pay the full amount.
> 
> Luke

I know I'm late to the party, but I also vote in favor of paying the full amount.

I apologize; I didn't realize my mail client had stopped checking my pidgin.im
account.

John

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From lschiere at pidgin.im  Sat Mar 17 09:39:15 2012
From: lschiere at pidgin.im (Luke Schierer)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:39:15 -0400
Subject: PayPal account for IMF
In-Reply-To: <BC79CCE3-9E12-45EA-B684-734240A4E5FA@pidgin.im>
References: <CAPZ8mV7+y8RemLa7RpiAfy=-hcvG9NzOheKp6gbi_MQsyf8=Tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPZ8mV4wvEwd-EzkNdMKr3cYyCfa9tixW1RDQyyBt=7kKdLhQg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <3984BD97-B128-4B10-8CAD-CC8F2E6B9B56@pidgin.im>

Voting is now open.

Luke

On Mar 10, 2012, at 19:25 EST, Luke Schierer wrote:

> 
> On Mar 10, 2012, at 19:17 EST, Mark Doliner wrote:
> 
>> Oh!  And are we supposed to wait 1 week before voting on a propsal?
>> Am I remembering that correctly?  If so, I'll send out another email
>> in a week to actually kick off the vote.
> 
> We are.  Voting will open on 2012/03/17, and close on 2012/03/24 or after it becomes obvious that the motion has passed, which ever comes first.
> 
> I will try to send out a second email on the 17th.
> 
> Luke
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From evan at adium.im  Sat Mar 17 11:42:46 2012
From: evan at adium.im (=?utf-8?Q?Evan_D._Schoenberg=2C_M.D.?=)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:42:46 -0500
Subject: PayPal account for IMF
In-Reply-To: <3984BD97-B128-4B10-8CAD-CC8F2E6B9B56@pidgin.im>
References: <CAPZ8mV7+y8RemLa7RpiAfy=-hcvG9NzOheKp6gbi_MQsyf8=Tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPZ8mV4wvEwd-EzkNdMKr3cYyCfa9tixW1RDQyyBt=7kKdLhQg@mail.gmail.com>
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I vote Yea. 

-Evan 


On Saturday, March 17, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Luke Schierer wrote:

> Voting is now open.
> 
> Luke
> 
> On Mar 10, 2012, at 19:25 EST, Luke Schierer wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Mar 10, 2012, at 19:17 EST, Mark Doliner wrote:
> > 
> > > Oh! And are we supposed to wait 1 week before voting on a propsal?
> > > Am I remembering that correctly? If so, I'll send out another email
> > > in a week to actually kick off the vote.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > We are. Voting will open on 2012/03/17, and close on 2012/03/24 or after it becomes obvious that the motion has passed, which ever comes first.
> > 
> > I will try to send out a second email on the 17th.
> > 
> > Luke
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Board mailing list
> > Board at imfreedom.org (mailto:Board at imfreedom.org)
> > http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/board
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discussion mailing list
> > Discussion at imfreedom.org (mailto:Discussion at imfreedom.org)
> > http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussion
> > 
> 
> 
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From rekkanoryo at pidgin.im  Sat Mar 17 13:51:10 2012
From: rekkanoryo at pidgin.im (John Bailey)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:51:10 -0400
Subject: PayPal account for IMF
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References: <CAPZ8mV7+y8RemLa7RpiAfy=-hcvG9NzOheKp6gbi_MQsyf8=Tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPZ8mV4wvEwd-EzkNdMKr3cYyCfa9tixW1RDQyyBt=7kKdLhQg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 03/17/2012 09:39 AM, Luke Schierer wrote:
> Voting is now open.
> 
> Luke

 I vote in favor.

John

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From rekkanoryo at pidgin.im  Sun Mar 18 09:57:44 2012
From: rekkanoryo at pidgin.im (John Bailey)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:57:44 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: PayPal account for IMF
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I sent this to the wrong list.  I need to learn to pay attention to what I'm doing.

John

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: PayPal account for IMF
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:51:10 -0400
From: John Bailey <rekkanoryo at pidgin.im>
To: discussion at imfreedom.org

On 03/17/2012 09:39 AM, Luke Schierer wrote:
> Voting is now open.
> 
> Luke

 I vote in favor.

John


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From mark at kingant.net  Tue Mar 20 02:49:22 2012
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:49:22 -0700
Subject: PayPal account for IMF
In-Reply-To: <4F65E9D8.4080107@pidgin.im>
References: <4F64CF0E.10307@pidgin.im>
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I vote in favor.

So far looks like:
Evan - yea
John - yea
Me - yea

I believe we need one more to pass.  Sean?  Luke?  Ethan?  Mark Spencer?

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From lschiere at pidgin.im  Tue Mar 20 08:31:32 2012
From: lschiere at pidgin.im (Luke Schierer)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 08:31:32 -0400
Subject: PayPal account for IMF
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV7MvwcBFrEepupeU-6hAASmWu4WTPL33AUfUk2GEFbqqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F64CF0E.10307@pidgin.im> <4F65E9D8.4080107@pidgin.im>
	<CAPZ8mV7MvwcBFrEepupeU-6hAASmWu4WTPL33AUfUk2GEFbqqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B01C73B-521C-455E-AD9A-AC18866FD8A3@pidgin.im>

I vote in favor.

Luke

On Mar 20, 2012, at 02:49 EDT, Mark Doliner wrote:

> I vote in favor.
> 
> So far looks like:
> Evan - yea
> John - yea
> Me - yea
> 
> I believe we need one more to pass.  Sean?  Luke?  Ethan?  Mark Spencer?
> 
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From mark at kingant.net  Thu Mar 22 01:40:46 2012
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:40:46 -0700
Subject: PayPal account for IMF
In-Reply-To: <4B01C73B-521C-455E-AD9A-AC18866FD8A3@pidgin.im>
References: <4F64CF0E.10307@pidgin.im> <4F65E9D8.4080107@pidgin.im>
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Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV4KBEmfVVmPtN2nM-boHcZGrWjPnotHeHc9XbWfLLn3tg@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, great, so that's 4 yeses out of 7 board members, so this vote
passes.  I'll take a stab at creating this, and seek help from Ethan
if needed.

Thanks,
Mark

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From elb at pidgin.im  Thu Mar 22 08:58:48 2012
From: elb at pidgin.im (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:58:48 -0400
Subject: PayPal account for IMF
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References: <4F64CF0E.10307@pidgin.im> <4F65E9D8.4080107@pidgin.im>
	<CAPZ8mV7MvwcBFrEepupeU-6hAASmWu4WTPL33AUfUk2GEFbqqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B01C73B-521C-455E-AD9A-AC18866FD8A3@pidgin.im>
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Message-ID: <20120322125848.GA6031@colt>

Mark Doliner spake unto us the following wisdom:
> Ok, great, so that's 4 yeses out of 7 board members, so this vote
> passes.  I'll take a stab at creating this, and seek help from Ethan
> if needed.

I can create it, if need be.  Let me know.

Ethan
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