From mark at kingant.net  Tue Dec  3 20:51:44 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 17:51:44 -0800
Subject: Google SoC 2013 travel reimbursement
Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV5OW0MsuvC=8c0OnuWxsahmqdCOu=tFCFu0-0s3qPO_0g@mail.gmail.com>

Board,

Elliott Sales de Andrade (cc'ed) attended the Google Summer of Code
2013 Mentor Summit as our representative. As you all may remember, the
way this works is that the mentor pays his own way to the summit, and
then Google reimburses later. Ethan filed for reimbursement from
Google a few weeks ago, but they pay on a Net 30 basis, so it could be
another month or more before we receive our Summer of Code payments.
With this in mind, I would like to propose that we reimburse Elliott
for his travel now, and let the Google reimbursement reimburse IMF
Inc. We did this in 2009 for Gary and Ethan and in 2010 for Elliott.

Elliott's travel expenses were CAD 855.31, which Ethan calculated as
USD 880.11 (sorry, I don't know what day's exchange rate was used). I
propose that Ethan (our wonderful treasurer) write and mail a check
from IMF Inc. to Elliott for the amount of USD 880.11 as soon as
enough votes come in to approve the measure so that he does not have
to float this payment any longer.

Thanks,
Mark

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From seanegan at gmail.com  Tue Dec  3 20:53:27 2013
From: seanegan at gmail.com (Sean Egan)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 17:53:27 -0800
Subject: Google SoC 2013 travel reimbursement
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV5OW0MsuvC=8c0OnuWxsahmqdCOu=tFCFu0-0s3qPO_0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV5OW0MsuvC=8c0OnuWxsahmqdCOu=tFCFu0-0s3qPO_0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAjOU9+Kc=W=V_ezp3RcjextnbU_7idLWP9LGuka+xfMXJqjpg@mail.gmail.com>

I vote yes.


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:

> Board,
>
> Elliott Sales de Andrade (cc'ed) attended the Google Summer of Code
> 2013 Mentor Summit as our representative. As you all may remember, the
> way this works is that the mentor pays his own way to the summit, and
> then Google reimburses later. Ethan filed for reimbursement from
> Google a few weeks ago, but they pay on a Net 30 basis, so it could be
> another month or more before we receive our Summer of Code payments.
> With this in mind, I would like to propose that we reimburse Elliott
> for his travel now, and let the Google reimbursement reimburse IMF
> Inc. We did this in 2009 for Gary and Ethan and in 2010 for Elliott.
>
> Elliott's travel expenses were CAD 855.31, which Ethan calculated as
> USD 880.11 (sorry, I don't know what day's exchange rate was used). I
> propose that Ethan (our wonderful treasurer) write and mail a check
> from IMF Inc. to Elliott for the amount of USD 880.11 as soon as
> enough votes come in to approve the measure so that he does not have
> to float this payment any longer.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> _______________________________________________
> Board mailing list
> Board at pidgin.im
> https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/board
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discussion mailing list
> Discussion at pidgin.im
> https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussion
>
>
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From mark at kingant.net  Tue Dec  3 21:06:21 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 18:06:21 -0800
Subject: Google SoC 2013 travel reimbursement
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV5OW0MsuvC=8c0OnuWxsahmqdCOu=tFCFu0-0s3qPO_0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV5OW0MsuvC=8c0OnuWxsahmqdCOu=tFCFu0-0s3qPO_0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV4-s9U-Hkia_N2gs3D_iacPJ6ord9hBaO_xLQVVZBbJhg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
> I propose that Ethan (our wonderful treasurer) write and mail a check
> from IMF Inc. to Elliott for the amount of USD 880.11

Sorry, I think we'll have to delay this vote. In our first meeting we
decided that:
"any proposal dealing with the expenditure of more than a total of
$100 (either as a one-time cost, or the sum of recurring
expenditures), must be proposed at least one week before votes are
collected. It may either be proposed for an email vote with one week
of notice, or proposed for vote at a board meeting, provided that the
text of the proposal is present in the meeting agenda one week in
advance."

So voting on my proposal as stated above will open one week from now
at 6:10pm PST on 2013-12-10 and will close two weeks from now at
6:10pm PST on 2013-12-17.

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From mark at kingant.net  Tue Dec  3 21:27:19 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 18:27:19 -0800
Subject: Change to email voting procedures
Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV4-hGcTF82MEyGC8FY8JbXqHEqF527dR2td5JAYy4JW1Q@mail.gmail.com>

According to our minutes (https://imfreedom.org/minutes-20070515.php),
at our first board meeting we decided:
"any proposal dealing with the expenditure of more than a total of
$100 (either as a one-time cost, or the sum of recurring
expenditures), must be proposed at least one week before votes are
collected. It may either be proposed for an email vote with one week
of notice, or proposed for vote at a board meeting, provided that the
text of the proposal is present in the meeting agenda one week in
advance."

We have interpreted this to mean:
- votes must be proposed 1 week before voting opens
- the voting period lasts 1 week from the time voting opened

This process feels heavy and slow to me. I'd like to make the following changes:
1. The voting period opens immediately when something is proposed.
2. The voting period lasts 2 weeks.
3. The vote will be considered approved or rejected immediately upon
receiving a majority of votes.

The last point might already be the case, but I want to make it
explicit. Do these changes seem reasonable? It removes a 1 week
opportunity for board members to try to persuade each other which way
to vote.

Also, the above decision only deals with expenditures of more than
$100. I couldn't find any documented process for other votes. Maybe we
should follow the same voting process for that, too?

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From rekkanoryo at pidgin.im  Tue Dec  3 23:18:08 2013
From: rekkanoryo at pidgin.im (John Bailey)
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:18:08 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Re: Change to email voting procedures
In-Reply-To: <529EA98F.10301@pidgin.im>
References: <529EA98F.10301@pidgin.im>
Message-ID: <529EAD00.1010203@pidgin.im>

Genius me forgot to reply-to-list on this one.

-------- Original Message --------
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:03:27 -0500
From: John Bailey <rekkanoryo at pidgin.im>
To: Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net>
Subject: Re: Change to email voting procedures

On 12/03/2013 09:27 PM, Mark Doliner wrote:
> This process feels heavy and slow to me. I'd like to make the following changes:
> 1. The voting period opens immediately when something is proposed.
> 2. The voting period lasts 2 weeks.
> 3. The vote will be considered approved or rejected immediately upon
> receiving a majority of votes.
> 
> The last point might already be the case, but I want to make it
> explicit. Do these changes seem reasonable? It removes a 1 week
> opportunity for board members to try to persuade each other which way
> to vote.
> 
> Also, the above decision only deals with expenditures of more than
> $100. I couldn't find any documented process for other votes. Maybe we
> should follow the same voting process for that, too?

It couldn't hurt to follow that same process.  I believe we've done that in the
past whether money was involved or not.  In that case, voting would open on this
at 6:27 PM PST on 2013-12-10 and conclude at 6:27 PST on 2013-12-17.

John






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From rekkanoryo at pidgin.im  Tue Dec  3 23:22:11 2013
From: rekkanoryo at pidgin.im (John Bailey)
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:22:11 -0500
Subject: Mailman issues
Message-ID: <529EADF3.5090308@pidgin.im>

In case no one has noticed yet, mailman seems to be majorly boned right now in
that *all* our mailing lists are claiming to belong to pidgin.im, including
board, discussion, and the other imfreedom.org lists.  Someone who actually
knows what they're doing with mailman (that is, someone who is not me that has
the tiniest sliver of a clue how that contraption works) should really look at
the lists and fix them up properly.

John

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From mark at kingant.net  Wed Dec  4 16:54:41 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 13:54:41 -0800
Subject: Mailman issues
In-Reply-To: <529EADF3.5090308@pidgin.im>
References: <529EADF3.5090308@pidgin.im>
Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV7HQUXsUYERE7Gdp7meWbWh8+9mMwSoceLAWbMSU6-3rA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:22 PM, John Bailey <rekkanoryo at pidgin.im> wrote:
> In case no one has noticed yet, mailman seems to be majorly boned right now in
> that *all* our mailing lists are claiming to belong to pidgin.im, including
> board, discussion, and the other imfreedom.org lists.  Someone who actually
> knows what they're doing with mailman (that is, someone who is not me that has
> the tiniest sliver of a clue how that contraption works) should really look at
> the lists and fix them up properly.

Hmm, I might have broken that. I attempted to change links to mailing
list subscribe/unsubscribe/admin/manage queue pages to point to https
instead of http.

So the problem is that the lists on imfreedom.org point to URLs on
pidgin.im, and you think they should point to URLs on imfreedom.org?


From lschiere at pidgin.im  Wed Dec  4 19:10:06 2013
From: lschiere at pidgin.im (Luke Schierer)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 19:10:06 -0500
Subject: Change to email voting procedures
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV4-hGcTF82MEyGC8FY8JbXqHEqF527dR2td5JAYy4JW1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV4-hGcTF82MEyGC8FY8JbXqHEqF527dR2td5JAYy4JW1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5AB30A96-7D59-42C9-94BB-B9D01C7BBAF1@pidgin.im>

When I proposed the voting by email process, the one week time for discussion was quite intentional.

One of my concerns was that discussion can quite conceivably change someone?s mind, and the one week waiting period gives me (as secretary, responsible for counting the ballots) more assurance that the votes are in fact final votes, that is that someone won?t be looking to change their vote an hour or a day later. 

If you want to shorten the process, I could agree to a 2 or 3 day waiting period followed by a voting window.  

Luke

On Dec 3, 2013, at 21:27 EST, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:

> According to our minutes (https://imfreedom.org/minutes-20070515.php),
> at our first board meeting we decided:
> "any proposal dealing with the expenditure of more than a total of
> $100 (either as a one-time cost, or the sum of recurring
> expenditures), must be proposed at least one week before votes are
> collected. It may either be proposed for an email vote with one week
> of notice, or proposed for vote at a board meeting, provided that the
> text of the proposal is present in the meeting agenda one week in
> advance."
> 
> We have interpreted this to mean:
> - votes must be proposed 1 week before voting opens
> - the voting period lasts 1 week from the time voting opened
> 
> This process feels heavy and slow to me. I'd like to make the following changes:
> 1. The voting period opens immediately when something is proposed.
> 2. The voting period lasts 2 weeks.
> 3. The vote will be considered approved or rejected immediately upon
> receiving a majority of votes.
> 
> The last point might already be the case, but I want to make it
> explicit. Do these changes seem reasonable? It removes a 1 week
> opportunity for board members to try to persuade each other which way
> to vote.
> 
> Also, the above decision only deals with expenditures of more than
> $100. I couldn't find any documented process for other votes. Maybe we
> should follow the same voting process for that, too?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Board mailing list
> Board at pidgin.im
> https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/board
> 

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From rekkanoryo at pidgin.im  Wed Dec  4 19:58:10 2013
From: rekkanoryo at pidgin.im (John Bailey)
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 19:58:10 -0500
Subject: Mailman issues
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV7HQUXsUYERE7Gdp7meWbWh8+9mMwSoceLAWbMSU6-3rA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <529EADF3.5090308@pidgin.im>
 <CAPZ8mV7HQUXsUYERE7Gdp7meWbWh8+9mMwSoceLAWbMSU6-3rA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <529FCFA2.9000808@pidgin.im>

On 12/04/2013 04:54 PM, Mark Doliner wrote:
> So the problem is that the lists on imfreedom.org point to URLs on
> pidgin.im, and you think they should point to URLs on imfreedom.org?

I wasn't aware of anything related to the web junk until after reading this
question--I'm already on the list, so the web stuff doesn't matter to me. :-P

What I'm saying is the problem is that the List-Id and Return-Path headers
(among others that I didn't notice last night) have changed.

An example from before whatever broke it (I have reordered some headers for
easier reading, but not modified their contents):

From: Peter Lawler <bleeter at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Will Pidgin implement the new echo protocol for chat?
Return-Path: <discussion-bounces at imfreedom.org>
List-Id: "Discussion of Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.'s activities and
proposals" <discussion.imfreedom.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/options/discussion>,
<mailto:discussion-request at imfreedom.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://pidgin.im/pipermail/discussion/>
List-Post: <mailto:discussion at imfreedom.org>
List-Help: <mailto:discussion-request at imfreedom.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussion>,
<mailto:discussion-request at imfreedom.org?subject=subscribe>

And an example of what's now being generated (again, I reordered but did not
modify the headers):

From: John Bailey <rekkanoryo at pidgin.im>
Subject: Mailman issues
Return-Path: <discussion-bounces at pidgin.im>
List-Id: "Discussion of Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.'s activities and
proposals" <discussion.pidgin.im>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/options/discussion>,
<mailto:discussion-request at pidgin.im?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://pidgin.im/pipermail/discussion/>
List-Post: <mailto:discussion at pidgin.im>
List-Help: <mailto:discussion-request at pidgin.im?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussion>,
<mailto:discussion-request at pidgin.im?subject=subscribe>


In particular, I only noticed and cared because the change in List-Id headers
means my existing 2+ year old procmail recipes on rock no longer work.

Also, gillux reports in the devel at conference.pidgin.im MUC:
03:52 < gillux> rekkanoryo, I also noticed commits.pidgin.im changed into
commits.one.pidgin.im

I do not see this behavior, though, so I'm not sure if there may be a deeper
issue somewhere.

John

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From mark at kingant.net  Wed Dec  4 20:19:50 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 17:19:50 -0800
Subject: Mailman issues
In-Reply-To: <529FCFA2.9000808@pidgin.im>
References: <529EADF3.5090308@pidgin.im>
 <CAPZ8mV7HQUXsUYERE7Gdp7meWbWh8+9mMwSoceLAWbMSU6-3rA@mail.gmail.com>
 <529FCFA2.9000808@pidgin.im>
Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV67XLzcQShu8YZwEww2PiGDCWew2S5oM6JOytiW0NXTjA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:58 PM, John Bailey <rekkanoryo at pidgin.im> wrote:
> What I'm saying is the problem is that the List-Id and Return-Path headers
> (among others that I didn't notice last night) have changed.

I'll work on fixing this in a few hours if no one beats me to it.

> Also, gillux reports in the devel at conference.pidgin.im MUC:
> 03:52 < gillux> rekkanoryo, I also noticed commits.pidgin.im changed into
> commits.one.pidgin.im
>
> I do not see this behavior, though, so I'm not sure if there may be a deeper
> issue somewhere.

Yeah, that happened. "one.pidgin.im" was mentioned in
/etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py and it got inserted into some places when I ran
"/usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url" to update the
hostnames to use https instead of http. I noticed the problem a day or
three ago, fixed it in mm_cfg.py, and reran withlist to fix it.

I think it should be possible to rerun withlist for our imfreedom
mailing lists and specify the hostname as imfreedom.org. I'm not super
familiar with mailman, but I thought it had some semblance of support
for virtual hosting mailing lists. If true, it seems like running
"withlist -a" should have used the right hostnames for the the
imfreedom.org lists. I'll look into that.


From mark at kingant.net  Thu Dec  5 01:28:22 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 22:28:22 -0800
Subject: Mailman issues
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV67XLzcQShu8YZwEww2PiGDCWew2S5oM6JOytiW0NXTjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <529EADF3.5090308@pidgin.im>
 <CAPZ8mV7HQUXsUYERE7Gdp7meWbWh8+9mMwSoceLAWbMSU6-3rA@mail.gmail.com>
 <529FCFA2.9000808@pidgin.im>
 <CAPZ8mV67XLzcQShu8YZwEww2PiGDCWew2S5oM6JOytiW0NXTjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV4znrWUa5UsT1Sq7=Ng6uzq+Rsu174+8qFsvH5FsxRKzw@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, I believe this is fixed now. I'm using this email as a test.

BACKGROUND
Last week (Wednesday or Thursday) I spontaneously decided to try to
change mailman-related links (email footers, links to and from the
pipermail archives, etc) to point to the https versions of pidgin.im
and imfreedom.org instead of http.

I changed DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN and PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL in
/etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py from http to https. This didn't seem to be
quite sufficient. The Internet suggested running this command:
> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url

That updates the URLs for all mailing lists to use the default values
from the config files. This was correct for our pidgin.im lists, but
was incorrect for our imfreedom.org lists. Sorry.

THE FIX
I ran these commands:
> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url board -u imfreedom.org
> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url discussion -u imfreedom.org
> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url messagestyles -u imfreedom.org
> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url openim -u imfreedom.org

I also added this line to /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py:
    add_virtualhost('imfreedom.org', 'imfreedom.org')
I think it's not necessary and I'm not sure where that would help us
(maybe only if we wanted to create a new imfreedom.org mailing list
via a web interface?), but I don't think it hurts us and it should be
more correct.


From dristuccia at gmail.com  Thu Dec  5 01:30:16 2013
From: dristuccia at gmail.com (Dennis Ristuccia)
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2013 01:30:16 -0500
Subject: Mailman issues
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV4znrWUa5UsT1Sq7=Ng6uzq+Rsu174+8qFsvH5FsxRKzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <529EADF3.5090308@pidgin.im>
 <CAPZ8mV7HQUXsUYERE7Gdp7meWbWh8+9mMwSoceLAWbMSU6-3rA@mail.gmail.com>
 <529FCFA2.9000808@pidgin.im>
 <CAPZ8mV67XLzcQShu8YZwEww2PiGDCWew2S5oM6JOytiW0NXTjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPZ8mV4znrWUa5UsT1Sq7=Ng6uzq+Rsu174+8qFsvH5FsxRKzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52A01D78.70408@gmail.com>

Excellent.

Thanks for the play-by-play, Mark. Good work.

On 12/5/2013 1:28 AM, Mark Doliner wrote:
> Ok, I believe this is fixed now. I'm using this email as a test.
>
> BACKGROUND
> Last week (Wednesday or Thursday) I spontaneously decided to try to
> change mailman-related links (email footers, links to and from the
> pipermail archives, etc) to point to the https versions of pidgin.im
> and imfreedom.org instead of http.
>
> I changed DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN and PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL in
> /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py from http to https. This didn't seem to be
> quite sufficient. The Internet suggested running this command:
>> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url
> That updates the URLs for all mailing lists to use the default values
> from the config files. This was correct for our pidgin.im lists, but
> was incorrect for our imfreedom.org lists. Sorry.
>
> THE FIX
> I ran these commands:
>> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url board -u imfreedom.org
>> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url discussion -u imfreedom.org
>> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url messagestyles -u imfreedom.org
>> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url openim -u imfreedom.org
> I also added this line to /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py:
>      add_virtualhost('imfreedom.org', 'imfreedom.org')
> I think it's not necessary and I'm not sure where that would help us
> (maybe only if we wanted to create a new imfreedom.org mailing list
> via a web interface?), but I don't think it hurts us and it should be
> more correct.
>
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From mark at kingant.net  Thu Dec  5 02:54:14 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 23:54:14 -0800
Subject: Change to email voting procedures
In-Reply-To: <5AB30A96-7D59-42C9-94BB-B9D01C7BBAF1@pidgin.im>
References: <CAPZ8mV4-hGcTF82MEyGC8FY8JbXqHEqF527dR2td5JAYy4JW1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV5SMX5y-viz7PXFuTk8pOgea9pcYzjiZOX83cYCY329oA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Luke Schierer <lschiere at pidgin.im> wrote:
> If you want to shorten the process, I could agree to a 2 or 3 day waiting period followed by a voting window.

Seems reasonable. How about this?
1. The voting period opens at least 3 days after the vote is proposed.
2. The voting period closes 7 days after it opens.
3. The vote will be considered approved or rejected immediately upon
receiving a majority of votes.

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From mark at kingant.net  Thu Dec  5 03:58:25 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 00:58:25 -0800
Subject: Another round of paid work for Tomasz?
Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV5HqEpq-3e695nuB9sm7=pS98a1wrFGmJYcn-7oViZWqg@mail.gmail.com>

As you may remember (see email thread "Paying Tomasz Wasilczyk for
security improvements"), earlier this year Google donated $10,000 USD
to IMF with the funds earmarked to sponsor Tomasz to work on mostly
security improvements, with the specifics changes left at our
discretion.

I think we haven't sent an update about this anywhere. Sorry--we
should. It did happen. We received the donation, we paid Tomasz and he
did some work. For example, one of the larger chunks of work is that
he finished the master password branch and merged it into main, to be
released in 3.0.0.

(Tomasz: Could you maybe send us a short list of the changes you've
made? Like, high-level functionality changes or security problems
fixed.)

Our contact at Google tells us that they would again like to donate
some money earmarked for further work by Tomasz. He didn't mention the
amount. I've been assuming another $10,000, but I suppose it could
quite possibly be less. I'm guessing probably not more. Again the
exact set of changes are left at our discretion. Tomasz came up with
an initial list that I pasted to the bottom of this email.

Unfortunately they would like to donate quite soon. So soon that we
don't have time to do a formal vote and give them an absolute yes or
no. I'd like to take an informal poll on whether this is something
we're likely to approval again.

Here's what I'm thinking:
- Google donates some amount of money again. I'll ask our contact to
limit it to no more than $10,500, for the sake of this discussion so
we have an upper-bound in mind for the amount. This would happen
probably within the next 2 weeks.
- We/Pidgin devs/Adium devs decide on a semi-fixed list of tasks for
Tomasz to work on. Hopefully by the end of this month.
- We transfer the donation amount to Tomasz (minus PayPal fees) and he
does his thing.

THE QUESTION:
Does this seem like a reasonable plan? As a board member, is this
something you're likely to vote in favor of? (This is NOT a binding
vote... just trying to get a sense for how people feel so I can tell
our Google contact.)


Here's the initial list of work that Tomasz came up with:
- rewrite chat log backend and frontend
  * with a possibility to encrypt these logs
  * details at [1]
- better xmpp protocol support
  * especially GTalk/hangouts dialect (two step verification,
    voice and video)
  * grab some ideas from [2]
  * some details at [3]
- polishing 3.0.0
  * fixing all regressions from 2.x.y (Tomasz already fixed a lot of them,
    but there are still many more)
  * fixing things and polishing after this year's GSoC branches merge
  * cleaning up random tickets - there are around 3000 open tickets
    (not directly related to 3.0.0)
- win32 related fixes
  * making cross-compilation (for 3.0.0) *and* full build possible
    (goal: prepare a OBS [build.opensuse.org] build which results in
    complete offline installer produced)
  * Voice and Video support (Tomasz already did some effort for this, but
    it's still unstable)
- a help for Adium team to implement a libpurple3 release
  (Tomasz hasn't contacted them yet)

[1] https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/tomkiewicz/39001
[2] https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FutureSOCProjects#XMPPprplimprovements
[3] https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/tomkiewicz/58001

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From mark at kingant.net  Thu Dec  5 13:16:13 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 10:16:13 -0800
Subject: Fwd: Another round of paid work for Tomasz?
In-Reply-To: <52A0796A.3040406@pidgin.im>
References: <CAPZ8mV5HqEpq-3e695nuB9sm7=pS98a1wrFGmJYcn-7oViZWqg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV6gCznAzAeRdEQ_uNK06xD__oALw1RN1MiQW_-b9VHaJA@mail.gmail.com>

See Tomasz's response below (non-board members aren't allowed to post
to this list, so I'm forwarding).

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tomasz Wasilczyk <twasilczyk at pidgin.im>
Date: Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: Another round of paid work for Tomasz?
To: Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net>, "board at imfreedom.org" <board at imfreedom.org>


W dniu 05.12.2013 09:58, Mark Doliner pisze:

> (Tomasz: Could you maybe send us a short list of the changes you've
> made? Like, high-level functionality changes or security problems
> fixed.)


Here is the short and rough list of major changes done:
- keyrings support (re)implemented and integrated
- new HTTP API finished and integrated
- win32 build revived with up to date dependencies from a single,
trustworthy source (openSUSE's mingw32 repository); polished build
process and other issues fixed;
- some minor bugs or crashes fixed, compilation warnings (including
these shown by newly added gcc switches) fixed;
- OTR ported to pure libpurple plugin, using newly written E2EE API
and extended Request API for its needs. It's currently under a code
review, I will integrate it as a in-tree plugin as soon as my changes
are merged into main pidgin-otr branch.

Some of these were described on my blog [1].

In the meantime, I've also been working on non-donated tasks:
- initial VV implementation for win32;
- improving Gadu-Gadu protocol support.


> Our contact at Google tells us that they would again like to donate
> some money earmarked for further work by Tomasz. He didn't mention the
> amount. I've been assuming another $10,000, but I suppose it could
> quite possibly be less. I'm guessing probably not more. Again the
> exact set of changes are left at our discretion. Tomasz came up with
> an initial list that I pasted to the bottom of this email.


Actually, we've been talking about the amount of $20,000, as I roughly
estimated the amount of work and time needed for these tasks to be no
less than twice greater.

I didn't knew that our contact hadn't passed you this information.
Most probably, he didn't knew that I didn't passed it either. I think
we should communicate a bit more.


> - Google donates some amount of money again. I'll ask our contact to
> limit it to no more than $10,500, for the sake of this discussion so
> we have an upper-bound in mind for the amount. This would happen
> probably within the next 2 weeks.


Consequently to the amount I mentioned above, I'd like to ask you to
raise this amount. We haven't been talking about covering PayPal's
handling fee, so I'm not sure if they donate $20000, $20500 or $21000.
However, I see no problem in covering all costs from the $20,000 pool
if needed.


> Here's the initial list of work that Tomasz came up with:


The list contains all my ideas to improve the project, that I liked
the most and/or our Google contact approved or suggested by himself
(the Adium libpurple3 release).

Tomek

[1] https://blog.wasilczyk.pl/en/tag/pidgin-security-grant/
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From mark at kingant.net  Thu Dec  5 13:21:25 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 10:21:25 -0800
Subject: Another round of paid work for Tomasz?
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV6gCznAzAeRdEQ_uNK06xD__oALw1RN1MiQW_-b9VHaJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV5HqEpq-3e695nuB9sm7=pS98a1wrFGmJYcn-7oViZWqg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Tomasz Wasilczyk <twasilczyk at pidgin.im>
>
> Actually, we've been talking about the amount of $20,000, as I roughly
> estimated the amount of work and time needed for these tasks to be no
> less than twice greater.
>
> Consequently to the amount I mentioned above, I'd like to ask you to
> raise this amount. We haven't been talking about covering PayPal's
> handling fee, so I'm not sure if they donate $20000, $20500 or $21000.
> However, I see no problem in covering all costs from the $20,000 pool
> if needed.

Our donor contact confirmed this amount. Revised question: If we
receive a $20,000 USD donation, are you likely to vote in favor of
paying Tomasz $20,000 USD for various work to-be-determined by
us+Pidgin devs+possibly Adium devs?

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From lschiere at pidgin.im  Fri Dec  6 10:34:51 2013
From: lschiere at pidgin.im (Luke Schierer)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 10:34:51 -0500
Subject: Change to email voting procedures
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV5SMX5y-viz7PXFuTk8pOgea9pcYzjiZOX83cYCY329oA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV4-hGcTF82MEyGC8FY8JbXqHEqF527dR2td5JAYy4JW1Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <5AB30A96-7D59-42C9-94BB-B9D01C7BBAF1@pidgin.im>
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Message-ID: <4C736504-4A5E-4493-8EF2-C44F3D68D839@pidgin.im>

That seems reasonable

Luke

On Dec 5, 2013, at 02:54 EST, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Luke Schierer <lschiere at pidgin.im> wrote:
>> If you want to shorten the process, I could agree to a 2 or 3 day waiting period followed by a voting window.
> 
> Seems reasonable. How about this?
> 1. The voting period opens at least 3 days after the vote is proposed.
> 2. The voting period closes 7 days after it opens.
> 3. The vote will be considered approved or rejected immediately upon
> receiving a majority of votes.
> 

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From lschiere at pidgin.im  Fri Dec  6 10:36:22 2013
From: lschiere at pidgin.im (Luke Schierer)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 10:36:22 -0500
Subject: Another round of paid work for Tomasz?
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References: <CAPZ8mV5HqEpq-3e695nuB9sm7=pS98a1wrFGmJYcn-7oViZWqg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <C1AE2DA2-560D-4366-931B-17BE53BF94EC@pidgin.im>


On Dec 5, 2013, at 13:16 EST, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:

> See Tomasz's response below (non-board members aren't allowed to post
> to this list, so I'm forwarding).
> 

There is a discussion list that non-board members can use.  All the board members should be subscribed already.

Luke

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From rekkanoryo at pidgin.im  Fri Dec  6 18:49:31 2013
From: rekkanoryo at pidgin.im (John Bailey)
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 18:49:31 -0500
Subject: Another round of paid work for Tomasz?
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV5sWhRcy-xnXC0n21Q_OPRSpnv1xk9jBKf19T3=_9k2Lw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV5HqEpq-3e695nuB9sm7=pS98a1wrFGmJYcn-7oViZWqg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <52A2628B.4070205@pidgin.im>

On 12/05/2013 01:21 PM, Mark Doliner wrote:
> Our donor contact confirmed this amount. Revised question: If we
> receive a $20,000 USD donation, are you likely to vote in favor of
> paying Tomasz $20,000 USD for various work to-be-determined by
> us+Pidgin devs+possibly Adium devs?

I see no problem with this and would vote in favor of IMF accepting and
disbursing funds to Tomasz.  If a similar offer came for another established
member of the community, whether from Google or another corporate sponsor, I
would be in favor of it as well.

John

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From mark at kingant.net  Sun Dec  8 01:20:35 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 22:20:35 -0800
Subject: Change to email voting procedures
In-Reply-To: <4C736504-4A5E-4493-8EF2-C44F3D68D839@pidgin.im>
References: <CAPZ8mV4-hGcTF82MEyGC8FY8JbXqHEqF527dR2td5JAYy4JW1Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <5AB30A96-7D59-42C9-94BB-B9D01C7BBAF1@pidgin.im>
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Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV4W2SY7hBrTH45WreWU9j_+1Acmmg8DR66+cq-dEJeW+A@mail.gmail.com>

Alright, please disregard any previous proposals from this email thread.
Here's my revised proposal, with voting to open 1 week from now (I'll send
a reminder):

I move to revise the voting process that we agreed upon in our first board
meeting (the paragraph beginning "The board voted that any proposal" at
https://imfreedom.org/minutes-20070515.php) to the following:

Our voting procedure is as follows:
- Votes may be held either at a board meeting or by email.
- In either case, the proposal will be considered approved or rejected
immediately upon receiving a majority of votes in favor or opposed,
respectively.
- For votes held at a board meeting, the text of the proposal must be
present in the meeting agenda at least 3 days (72 hours) before the meeting
begins.
- For votes held over email, the text of the proposal must be sent to the
board at imfreedom.org mailing list at least 3 days (72 hours) before voting
begins.
- For votes held at a board meeting, the voting period is opened and closed
by the chairperson.
- For votes held over email, if an opening time was specified in the
proposal then this time is used so long as the time is greater than 3 days
(72 hours) after the proposal was sent. Otherwise the voting period opens 3
days (72 hours) after the proposal was sent. The voting period closes 7
days (168 hours) after it opens.

This voting procedure shall be used when dealing with the expenditure of
more than a total of 100 USD (either as a one-time cost, or the sum of
recurring expenditures). This voting process may also be used at other
times, as deemed necessary.
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From mark at kingant.net  Sun Dec  8 17:10:23 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 14:10:23 -0800
Subject: Another round of paid work for Tomasz?
In-Reply-To: <52A2628B.4070205@pidgin.im>
References: <CAPZ8mV5HqEpq-3e695nuB9sm7=pS98a1wrFGmJYcn-7oViZWqg@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAPZ8mV6gCznAzAeRdEQ_uNK06xD__oALw1RN1MiQW_-b9VHaJA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:49 PM, John Bailey <rekkanoryo at pidgin.im> wrote:
> On 12/05/2013 01:21 PM, Mark Doliner wrote:
>> Our donor contact confirmed this amount. Revised question: If we
>> receive a $20,000 USD donation, are you likely to vote in favor of
>> paying Tomasz $20,000 USD for various work to-be-determined by
>> us+Pidgin devs+possibly Adium devs?
>
> I see no problem with this and would vote in favor of IMF accepting and
> disbursing funds to Tomasz.  If a similar offer came for another established
> member of the community, whether from Google or another corporate sponsor, I
> would be in favor of it as well.

Good to know, thanks.

Anyone else have feelings one way or the other?

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From lschiere at pidgin.im  Mon Dec  9 19:56:36 2013
From: lschiere at pidgin.im (Luke Schierer)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 19:56:36 -0500
Subject: Another round of paid work for Tomasz?
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV6gAHjH3jaS2kf8FgGs=6pd1McbyZD4BkUn3hncT_ExwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV5HqEpq-3e695nuB9sm7=pS98a1wrFGmJYcn-7oViZWqg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <99EC48DD-05E9-4532-93BF-5CB4F17FA48D@pidgin.im>

I think that?s my opinion as well.  If the development community is pleased by the quality and direction of the work, and if the donor is satisfied enough to try it again, then I see no reason to stand in the way of the work.

At the end of the day that?s what?s most important.  Not whether or not one or more of us gets paid, but that code - good code, is written to benefit us all.

Luke

On Dec 8, 2013, at 17:10 EST, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:49 PM, John Bailey <rekkanoryo at pidgin.im> wrote:
>> On 12/05/2013 01:21 PM, Mark Doliner wrote:
>>> Our donor contact confirmed this amount. Revised question: If we
>>> receive a $20,000 USD donation, are you likely to vote in favor of
>>> paying Tomasz $20,000 USD for various work to-be-determined by
>>> us+Pidgin devs+possibly Adium devs?
>> 
>> I see no problem with this and would vote in favor of IMF accepting and
>> disbursing funds to Tomasz.  If a similar offer came for another established
>> member of the community, whether from Google or another corporate sponsor, I
>> would be in favor of it as well.
> 
> Good to know, thanks.
> 
> Anyone else have feelings one way or the other?
> 
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From mark at kingant.net  Tue Dec 10 01:15:51 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 22:15:51 -0800
Subject: Another round of paid work for Tomasz?
In-Reply-To: <99EC48DD-05E9-4532-93BF-5CB4F17FA48D@pidgin.im>
References: <CAPZ8mV5HqEpq-3e695nuB9sm7=pS98a1wrFGmJYcn-7oViZWqg@mail.gmail.com>
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Ok, thanks, Luke.

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From mark at kingant.net  Tue Dec 10 23:23:18 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 20:23:18 -0800
Subject: Google SoC 2013 travel reimbursement
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV5OW0MsuvC=8c0OnuWxsahmqdCOu=tFCFu0-0s3qPO_0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV5OW0MsuvC=8c0OnuWxsahmqdCOu=tFCFu0-0s3qPO_0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV76v9No9fHx1YC3aC1EbAXYnoi2E_yZo04StwkQafY9jA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
> I propose that Ethan (our wonderful treasurer) write and mail a check
> from IMF Inc. to Elliott for the amount of USD 880.11 as soon as
> enough votes come in to approve the measure so that he does not have
> to float this payment any longer.

Voting for this proposal is now open.

I vote in favor.

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From elb at psg.com  Tue Dec 10 23:27:09 2013
From: elb at psg.com (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 23:27:09 -0500
Subject: Google SoC 2013 travel reimbursement
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV76v9No9fHx1YC3aC1EbAXYnoi2E_yZo04StwkQafY9jA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV5OW0MsuvC=8c0OnuWxsahmqdCOu=tFCFu0-0s3qPO_0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPZ8mV76v9No9fHx1YC3aC1EbAXYnoi2E_yZo04StwkQafY9jA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52cb1fe0-6ff4-431c-ac21-48df6bbadb29@email.android.com>



Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
>On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
>> I propose that Ethan (our wonderful treasurer) write and mail a check
>> from IMF Inc. to Elliott for the amount of USD 880.11 as soon as
>> enough votes come in to approve the measure so that he does not have
>> to float this payment any longer.
>
>Voting for this proposal is now open.
>
>I vote in favor.

As do I.

(Sorry for the dupe, Mark.)

Ethan
-- 
Sent from my phone.  Please excuse my brevity.

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From seanegan at gmail.com  Wed Dec 11 14:33:09 2013
From: seanegan at gmail.com (Sean Egan)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:33:09 -0800
Subject: Google SoC 2013 travel reimbursement
In-Reply-To: <52cb1fe0-6ff4-431c-ac21-48df6bbadb29@email.android.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV5OW0MsuvC=8c0OnuWxsahmqdCOu=tFCFu0-0s3qPO_0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPZ8mV76v9No9fHx1YC3aC1EbAXYnoi2E_yZo04StwkQafY9jA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52cb1fe0-6ff4-431c-ac21-48df6bbadb29@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CAAjOU9KCjD+UBQcZXSEKtf8DSZpfRVW23UTr+-yeFJuz05wZRA@mail.gmail.com>

I also vote yes.


On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Ethan Blanton <elb at psg.com> wrote:

>
>
> Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
> >On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
> >> I propose that Ethan (our wonderful treasurer) write and mail a check
> >> from IMF Inc. to Elliott for the amount of USD 880.11 as soon as
> >> enough votes come in to approve the measure so that he does not have
> >> to float this payment any longer.
> >
> >Voting for this proposal is now open.
> >
> >I vote in favor.
>
> As do I.
>
> (Sorry for the dupe, Mark.)
>
> Ethan
> --
> Sent from my phone.  Please excuse my brevity.
>
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From nx at xceglxsq.org  Wed Dec 11 19:20:05 2013
From: nx at xceglxsq.org (=?utf-8?B?5bqU5rO357+U?=)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 08:20:05 +0800
Subject: =?utf-8?B?OTkxM+S4iua1t+aWsOaFp+iBque9keW5v+WRiuaciemZkOWFrOWPuA==?=
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From mark at kingant.net  Wed Dec 11 21:05:34 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:05:34 -0800
Subject: Google SoC 2013 travel reimbursement
In-Reply-To: <CBD3E55D-9664-4696-97F8-D18298819F8C@adium.im>
References: <CAPZ8mV5OW0MsuvC=8c0OnuWxsahmqdCOu=tFCFu0-0s3qPO_0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPZ8mV76v9No9fHx1YC3aC1EbAXYnoi2E_yZo04StwkQafY9jA@mail.gmail.com>
 <BA89F858-CCD3-4894-9617-4E7A427627CF@adium.im>
 <CBD3E55D-9664-4696-97F8-D18298819F8C@adium.im>
Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV6kX+piNZ2rcuaNwr=yugbeKP0hLjUdJmoLacGQa6Txng@mail.gmail.com>

(Just got another email that's also from evandschoenberg at gmail.com)

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Evan Dreskin Schoenberg M.D.
<evandschoenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
>
> I propose that Ethan (our wonderful treasurer) write and mail a check
> from IMF Inc. to Elliott for the amount of USD 880.11 as soon as
> enough votes come in to approve the measure so that he does not have
> to float this payment any longer.
>
>
> Voting for this proposal is now open.
>
>
> I vote in favor.
>
> Mark, I?m cc?ing you off-list; could you please verify you?ve gotten my
> vote?  It looks like my last several messages to the list have never been
> received.
>
> -Evan
>

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From ftvaco at yhsq.com  Thu Dec 12 08:51:02 2013
From: ftvaco at yhsq.com (=?utf-8?B?5bCJ6L+f5ZiJ5a2U?=)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:51:02 +0800
Subject: =?utf-8?B?MzgxM+S4iua1t+aWsOaYjOS6lOmHkeeis+e0oOWOgg==?=
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From rekkanoryo at pidgin.im  Thu Dec 12 22:21:02 2013
From: rekkanoryo at pidgin.im (John Bailey)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 22:21:02 -0500
Subject: Google SoC 2013 travel reimbursement
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV76v9No9fHx1YC3aC1EbAXYnoi2E_yZo04StwkQafY9jA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV5OW0MsuvC=8c0OnuWxsahmqdCOu=tFCFu0-0s3qPO_0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPZ8mV76v9No9fHx1YC3aC1EbAXYnoi2E_yZo04StwkQafY9jA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52AA7D1E.30808@pidgin.im>

On 12/10/2013 11:23 PM, Mark Doliner wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
>> I propose that Ethan (our wonderful treasurer) write and mail a check
>> from IMF Inc. to Elliott for the amount of USD 880.11 as soon as
>> enough votes come in to approve the measure so that he does not have
>> to float this payment any longer.
> 
> Voting for this proposal is now open.
> 
> I vote in favor.

I vote in favor as well.

John


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From evan.d.schoenberg at gmail.com  Sun Dec 15 10:05:28 2013
From: evan.d.schoenberg at gmail.com (Evan Schoenberg)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 10:05:28 -0500
Subject: Google SoC 2013 travel reimbursement
In-Reply-To: <CBD3E55D-9664-4696-97F8-D18298819F8C@adium.im>
References: <CAPZ8mV5OW0MsuvC=8c0OnuWxsahmqdCOu=tFCFu0-0s3qPO_0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPZ8mV76v9No9fHx1YC3aC1EbAXYnoi2E_yZo04StwkQafY9jA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAH6JD3Y+F7vaF_K5qoY0GwRZHX6XPLpFyAgF5TTH_3WNak5+ew@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Evan Dreskin Schoenberg M.D. <
evandschoenberg at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 10, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
>
>  On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
>
> I propose that Ethan (our wonderful treasurer) write and mail a check
> from IMF Inc. to Elliott for the amount of USD 880.11 as soon as
> enough votes come in to approve the measure so that he does not have
> to float this payment any longer.
>
>
> Voting for this proposal is now open.
>
>
>
I vote in favor.

-Evan
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From mark at kingant.net  Sun Dec 15 12:42:16 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 09:42:16 -0800
Subject: Change to email voting procedures
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV4W2SY7hBrTH45WreWU9j_+1Acmmg8DR66+cq-dEJeW+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV4-hGcTF82MEyGC8FY8JbXqHEqF527dR2td5JAYy4JW1Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <5AB30A96-7D59-42C9-94BB-B9D01C7BBAF1@pidgin.im>
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Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV6GVw_JJjLKWbSy_tN_-72+vON4kkCurjM26azdAxoCzg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
> I move to revise the voting process that we agreed upon in our first board
> meeting (the paragraph beginning "The board voted that any proposal" at
> https://imfreedom.org/minutes-20070515.php) to the following:
>
> Our voting procedure is as follows:
> - Votes may be held either at a board meeting or by email.
> - In either case, the proposal will be considered approved or rejected
> immediately upon receiving a majority of votes in favor or opposed,
> respectively.
> - For votes held at a board meeting, the text of the proposal must be
> present in the meeting agenda at least 3 days (72 hours) before the
meeting
> begins.
> - For votes held over email, the text of the proposal must be sent to the
> board at imfreedom.org mailing list at least 3 days (72 hours) before voting
> begins.
> - For votes held at a board meeting, the voting period is opened and
closed
> by the chairperson.
> - For votes held over email, if an opening time was specified in the
> proposal then this time is used so long as the time is greater than 3 days
> (72 hours) after the proposal was sent. Otherwise the voting period opens
3
> days (72 hours) after the proposal was sent. The voting period closes 7
days
> (168 hours) after it opens.
>
> This voting procedure shall be used when dealing with the expenditure of
> more than a total of 100 USD (either as a one-time cost, or the sum of
> recurring expenditures). This voting process may also be used at other
> times, as deemed necessary.

Voting for this proposal is now open.

I vote in favor.
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From elb at pidgin.im  Sun Dec 15 13:27:55 2013
From: elb at pidgin.im (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 13:27:55 -0500
Subject: Change to email voting procedures
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV6GVw_JJjLKWbSy_tN_-72+vON4kkCurjM26azdAxoCzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV4-hGcTF82MEyGC8FY8JbXqHEqF527dR2td5JAYy4JW1Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <5AB30A96-7D59-42C9-94BB-B9D01C7BBAF1@pidgin.im>
 <CAPZ8mV5SMX5y-viz7PXFuTk8pOgea9pcYzjiZOX83cYCY329oA@mail.gmail.com>
 <4C736504-4A5E-4493-8EF2-C44F3D68D839@pidgin.im>
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Message-ID: <20131215182755.GB26216@mail.kb8ojh.net>

Mark Doliner spake unto us the following wisdom:
> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
> > I move to revise the voting process that we agreed upon in our first board
> > meeting (the paragraph beginning "The board voted that any proposal" at
> > https://imfreedom.org/minutes-20070515.php) to the following:
> >
> > Our voting procedure is as follows:
> > - Votes may be held either at a board meeting or by email.
> > - In either case, the proposal will be considered approved or rejected
> > immediately upon receiving a majority of votes in favor or opposed,
> > respectively.
> > - For votes held at a board meeting, the text of the proposal must be
> > present in the meeting agenda at least 3 days (72 hours) before the
> meeting
> > begins.
> > - For votes held over email, the text of the proposal must be sent to the
> > board at imfreedom.org mailing list at least 3 days (72 hours) before voting
> > begins.
> > - For votes held at a board meeting, the voting period is opened and
> closed
> > by the chairperson.
> > - For votes held over email, if an opening time was specified in the
> > proposal then this time is used so long as the time is greater than 3 days
> > (72 hours) after the proposal was sent. Otherwise the voting period opens
> 3
> > days (72 hours) after the proposal was sent. The voting period closes 7
> days
> > (168 hours) after it opens.
> >
> > This voting procedure shall be used when dealing with the expenditure of
> > more than a total of 100 USD (either as a one-time cost, or the sum of
> > recurring expenditures). This voting process may also be used at other
> > times, as deemed necessary.

I vote in favor of this change.

Ethan

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From lschiere at pidgin.im  Sun Dec 15 14:34:21 2013
From: lschiere at pidgin.im (Luke Schierer)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 14:34:21 -0500
Subject: Google SoC 2013 travel reimbursement
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV5OW0MsuvC=8c0OnuWxsahmqdCOu=tFCFu0-0s3qPO_0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV5OW0MsuvC=8c0OnuWxsahmqdCOu=tFCFu0-0s3qPO_0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C47D0535-BA1C-40C5-92E7-C6D859862159@pidgin.im>

I vote in favor.

Luke

On Dec 3, 2013, at 20:51 EST, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:

> Board,
> 
> Elliott Sales de Andrade (cc'ed) attended the Google Summer of Code
> 2013 Mentor Summit as our representative. As you all may remember, the
> way this works is that the mentor pays his own way to the summit, and
> then Google reimburses later. Ethan filed for reimbursement from
> Google a few weeks ago, but they pay on a Net 30 basis, so it could be
> another month or more before we receive our Summer of Code payments.
> With this in mind, I would like to propose that we reimburse Elliott
> for his travel now, and let the Google reimbursement reimburse IMF
> Inc. We did this in 2009 for Gary and Ethan and in 2010 for Elliott.
> 
> Elliott's travel expenses were CAD 855.31, which Ethan calculated as
> USD 880.11 (sorry, I don't know what day's exchange rate was used). I
> propose that Ethan (our wonderful treasurer) write and mail a check
> from IMF Inc. to Elliott for the amount of USD 880.11 as soon as
> enough votes come in to approve the measure so that he does not have
> to float this payment any longer.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 

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From evan.d.schoenberg at gmail.com  Sun Dec 15 16:24:01 2013
From: evan.d.schoenberg at gmail.com (Evan Schoenberg)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 16:24:01 -0500
Subject: Change to email voting procedures
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV6GVw_JJjLKWbSy_tN_-72+vON4kkCurjM26azdAxoCzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV4-hGcTF82MEyGC8FY8JbXqHEqF527dR2td5JAYy4JW1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:

> > I move to revise the voting process that we agreed upon in our first
> board
> > meeting (the paragraph beginning "The board voted that any proposal" at
> > https://imfreedom.org/minutes-20070515.php) to the following:
> >
> > Our voting procedure is as follows:
> > - Votes may be held either at a board meeting or by email.
> > - In either case, the proposal will be considered approved or rejected
> > immediately upon receiving a majority of votes in favor or opposed,
> > respectively.
> > - For votes held at a board meeting, the text of the proposal must be
> > present in the meeting agenda at least 3 days (72 hours) before the
> meeting
> > begins.
> > - For votes held over email, the text of the proposal must be sent to the
> > board at imfreedom.org mailing list at least 3 days (72 hours) before
> voting
> > begins.
> > - For votes held at a board meeting, the voting period is opened and
> closed
> > by the chairperson.
> > - For votes held over email, if an opening time was specified in the
> > proposal then this time is used so long as the time is greater than 3
> days
> > (72 hours) after the proposal was sent. Otherwise the voting period
> opens 3
> > days (72 hours) after the proposal was sent. The voting period closes 7
> days
> > (168 hours) after it opens.
> >
> > This voting procedure shall be used when dealing with the expenditure of
> > more than a total of 100 USD (either as a one-time cost, or the sum of
> > recurring expenditures). This voting process may also be used at other
> > times, as deemed necessary.
>
>
> I vote in favor.
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From evan.d.schoenberg at gmail.com  Sun Dec 15 16:28:56 2013
From: evan.d.schoenberg at gmail.com (Evan Schoenberg)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 16:28:56 -0500
Subject: Another round of paid work for Tomasz?
In-Reply-To: <52A2628B.4070205@pidgin.im>
References: <CAPZ8mV5HqEpq-3e695nuB9sm7=pS98a1wrFGmJYcn-7oViZWqg@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAPZ8mV6gCznAzAeRdEQ_uNK06xD__oALw1RN1MiQW_-b9VHaJA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Dec 5, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:

 If we receive a $20,000 USD donation, are you likely to vote in favor of
paying Tomasz $20,000 USD for various work to-be-determined by
us+Pidgin devs+possibly Adium devs?



Much as John expressed, I would vote for this and also in favor of any
legitimate corporate sponsorship of contributions that are guided by us and
the project communities.

(I sent this originally 12/7/13 but we had an issue with my emails not
reaching the list).

-Evan



On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 6:49 PM, John Bailey <rekkanoryo at pidgin.im> wrote:

> On 12/05/2013 01:21 PM, Mark Doliner wrote:
> > Our donor contact confirmed this amount. Revised question: If we
> > receive a $20,000 USD donation, are you likely to vote in favor of
> > paying Tomasz $20,000 USD for various work to-be-determined by
> > us+Pidgin devs+possibly Adium devs?
>
> I see no problem with this and would vote in favor of IMF accepting and
> disbursing funds to Tomasz.  If a similar offer came for another
> established
> member of the community, whether from Google or another corporate sponsor,
> I
> would be in favor of it as well.
>
> John
>
>
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From ckqu at mqr.net  Tue Dec 17 02:22:13 2013
From: ckqu at mqr.net (=?utf-8?B?5LmQ5a6c6bi/?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:22:13 +0800
Subject: =?utf-8?B?5pyq5p2l55qE6ICB5biILOaCqOWlvQ==?=
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From mark at kingant.net  Wed Dec 18 03:22:16 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 00:22:16 -0800
Subject: Google SoC 2013 travel reimbursement
In-Reply-To: <C47D0535-BA1C-40C5-92E7-C6D859862159@pidgin.im>
References: <CAPZ8mV5OW0MsuvC=8c0OnuWxsahmqdCOu=tFCFu0-0s3qPO_0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <C47D0535-BA1C-40C5-92E7-C6D859862159@pidgin.im>
Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV7oL6x2ZkY+g_wEOTh84+47O8VF7e8+uo1HTSmTVpHQ1A@mail.gmail.com>

Voting for this closed a few hours ago.

Votes in favor:
- Mark Doliner
- Ethan Blanton
- Sean Egan
- John Bailey
- Evan Schoenberg
- Luke Schierer

That's 6 out of 7, so this passes. Ethan, can you please take care of
"making it rain" for Elliott?

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From elb at pidgin.im  Wed Dec 18 08:43:10 2013
From: elb at pidgin.im (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:43:10 -0500
Subject: Google SoC 2013 travel reimbursement
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV7oL6x2ZkY+g_wEOTh84+47O8VF7e8+uo1HTSmTVpHQ1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV5OW0MsuvC=8c0OnuWxsahmqdCOu=tFCFu0-0s3qPO_0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <C47D0535-BA1C-40C5-92E7-C6D859862159@pidgin.im>
 <CAPZ8mV7oL6x2ZkY+g_wEOTh84+47O8VF7e8+uo1HTSmTVpHQ1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20131218134310.GA28455@mail.kb8ojh.net>

Mark Doliner spake unto us the following wisdom:
> Votes in favor:
> - Mark Doliner
> - Ethan Blanton
> - Sean Egan
> - John Bailey
> - Evan Schoenberg
> - Luke Schierer
> 
> That's 6 out of 7, so this passes. Ethan, can you please take care of
> "making it rain" for Elliott?

Will do.

Ethan

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From xcncxrbb at yygygm.net  Thu Dec 19 08:53:04 2013
From: xcncxrbb at yygygm.net (=?utf-8?B?6J6N55OY55OY?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 21:53:04 +0800
Subject: =?utf-8?B?5YyX5Lqs6Iux5ZKM55Ge5Y2O55S15rCU5pyJ6ZmQ5YWs5Y+4NDU1?=
Message-ID: <E13FC1DF6CA20DEC263A3A79981FAD3E@yygygm.net>

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From mark at kingant.net  Sat Dec 21 19:51:21 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 16:51:21 -0800
Subject: Change to email voting procedures
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ8mV6GVw_JJjLKWbSy_tN_-72+vON4kkCurjM26azdAxoCzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV4-hGcTF82MEyGC8FY8JbXqHEqF527dR2td5JAYy4JW1Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <5AB30A96-7D59-42C9-94BB-B9D01C7BBAF1@pidgin.im>
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 <CAPZ8mV4W2SY7hBrTH45WreWU9j_+1Acmmg8DR66+cq-dEJeW+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPZ8mV6GVw_JJjLKWbSy_tN_-72+vON4kkCurjM26azdAxoCzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV5iiEPDXOMoq6Vxc8g1AQujAcLPGnya2mSBmcMEqBPsMg@mail.gmail.com>

Any last minute votes? Just a few hours left.
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From mark at kingant.net  Sun Dec 22 02:41:16 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 23:41:16 -0800
Subject: Change to email voting procedures
In-Reply-To: <CAH6JD3YjPwvxA1hzJx+eCt01-MEQoAFXeHmK8yWk_eJF5yyNQQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ8mV4-hGcTF82MEyGC8FY8JbXqHEqF527dR2td5JAYy4JW1Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <5AB30A96-7D59-42C9-94BB-B9D01C7BBAF1@pidgin.im>
 <CAPZ8mV5SMX5y-viz7PXFuTk8pOgea9pcYzjiZOX83cYCY329oA@mail.gmail.com>
 <4C736504-4A5E-4493-8EF2-C44F3D68D839@pidgin.im>
 <CAPZ8mV4W2SY7hBrTH45WreWU9j_+1Acmmg8DR66+cq-dEJeW+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPZ8mV6GVw_JJjLKWbSy_tN_-72+vON4kkCurjM26azdAxoCzg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH6JD3YjPwvxA1hzJx+eCt01-MEQoAFXeHmK8yWk_eJF5yyNQQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPZ8mV4jQF123Zvkjhv64-Nv_bE1LTyUgctWK3V-Oo4P=g1kCA@mail.gmail.com>

Voting for this closed a few hours a few hours ago.

Votes in favor:
- Mark Doliner
- Ethan Blanton
- Evan Schoenberg

That's only 3 out of 7, so this vote does not pass. If anyone intended to
vote in favor but forgot to, lemme know and I'll be happy to re-propose.
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From odkzky at xkwug.com  Mon Dec 23 19:05:15 2013
From: odkzky at xkwug.com (=?utf-8?B?6ams5p+U5Lqm?=)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 08:05:15 +0800
Subject: =?utf-8?B?5bKB5bKB5bmz5a6J?=
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