From tomkiewicz.groups at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 20:56:24 2013
From: tomkiewicz.groups at gmail.com (Tomasz Wasilczyk)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 02:56:24 +0100
Subject: Paying Tomasz Wasilczyk for security improvements
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2013/2/21 Tomasz Wasilczyk <tomkiewicz.groups at gmail.com>:
> We didn't set (yet?) rigid requirements, I've only got a list of loose
> tasks to comment on. A lion's share of discussion was about troubles
> with setting any possible contract. However, I would prefer to see
> some sort of soft/hard requirements when working on this. I would like
> to emphasize, that the work isn't a simple do-some-tasks-and-forget,
> it's rather a long-time allocation to care about security issues that
> hurts Google. Also, it wasn't said, if tasks to do will be provided
> only from Google, or both Google and IMF/Pidgin crew (merging master
> password branch, for example, sounds interesting and useful).

We (I mean, me and someone from Google) clarified some aspects of this
agreement. At first, Google won't direct the work - it's up to IMF to
decide, what is important in the context of improving security. Still,
they will be happy to discuss or advise on the work. I think it will
be kind, if I will address every issue they point out at first place.

I wish there would be any primary contact person from IMF for this
work. He could quickly decide, if certain task fits into scope of
whole security-related work. Also, he could assign me to any task that
have to be done on this topic. But this is only my wish and I can cope
without it.

Tomek Wasilczyk


From mark at kingant.net  Sun Mar  3 00:54:01 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 21:54:01 -0800
Subject: Paying Tomasz Wasilczyk for security improvements
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On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
> PROPOSAL TO BE VOTED ON ONE WEEK FROM RIGHT NOW (I'll send a reminder)
> Shall Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. accept a large one-time
> donation, then pay those funds to Tomasz Wasilczyk for assorted bug
> fixes and improvements to improve the security of Pidgin and Adium?
> And, if needed, shall Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. make up for the
> credit card processing fee by paying some money from our current
> funds, of an amount not to exceed $300 USD.

Oh hey, I never sent a reminder.  Sorry!  Let's start the vote on this
right now.  FYI it sounds like Google is willing to donate a little
extra to cover the cred card processing fee.  And yeah, we'll have to
figure out some details, like what the assorted bug fixes and
improvements will be, but I'm ok with figuring that out as we go.

I vote in favor.

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From evan at adium.im  Sun Mar  3 00:57:42 2013
From: evan at adium.im (=?utf-8?Q?Evan_D._Schoenberg=2C_M.D.?=)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 23:57:42 -0600
Subject: Paying Tomasz Wasilczyk for security improvements
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On Saturday, March 2, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Mark Doliner wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net (mailto:mark at kingant.net)> wrote:
> > Shall Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. accept a large one-time
> > donation, then pay those funds to Tomasz Wasilczyk for assorted bug
> > fixes and improvements to improve the security of Pidgin and Adium?
> > And, if needed, shall Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. make up for the
> > credit card processing fee by paying some money from our current
> > funds, of an amount not to exceed $300 USD.
> 

I vote in favor.

-Evan
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From elb at pidgin.im  Sun Mar  3 10:10:39 2013
From: elb at pidgin.im (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:10:39 -0500
Subject: Paying Tomasz Wasilczyk for security improvements
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Mark Doliner spake unto us the following wisdom:
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
> > PROPOSAL TO BE VOTED ON ONE WEEK FROM RIGHT NOW (I'll send a reminder)
> > Shall Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. accept a large one-time
> > donation, then pay those funds to Tomasz Wasilczyk for assorted bug
> > fixes and improvements to improve the security of Pidgin and Adium?
> > And, if needed, shall Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. make up for the
> > credit card processing fee by paying some money from our current
> > funds, of an amount not to exceed $300 USD.
> 
> Oh hey, I never sent a reminder.  Sorry!  Let's start the vote on this
> right now.  FYI it sounds like Google is willing to donate a little
> extra to cover the cred card processing fee.  And yeah, we'll have to
> figure out some details, like what the assorted bug fixes and
> improvements will be, but I'm ok with figuring that out as we go.

I vote in favor.

Ethan
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From lschiere at pidgin.im  Sun Mar  3 15:28:43 2013
From: lschiere at pidgin.im (Luke Schierer)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 15:28:43 -0500
Subject: Paying Tomasz Wasilczyk for security improvements
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On Mar 3, 2013, at 00:54 EST, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:
>> PROPOSAL TO BE VOTED ON ONE WEEK FROM RIGHT NOW (I'll send a reminder)
>> Shall Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. accept a large one-time
>> donation, then pay those funds to Tomasz Wasilczyk for assorted bug
>> fixes and improvements to improve the security of Pidgin and Adium?
>> And, if needed, shall Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc. make up for the
>> credit card processing fee by paying some money from our current
>> funds, of an amount not to exceed $300 USD.
> 
> Oh hey, I never sent a reminder.  Sorry!  Let's start the vote on this
> right now.  FYI it sounds like Google is willing to donate a little
> extra to cover the cred card processing fee.  And yeah, we'll have to
> figure out some details, like what the assorted bug fixes and
> improvements will be, but I'm ok with figuring that out as we go.
> 
> I vote in favor.

I vote in favor

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From mark at kingant.net  Mon Mar  4 00:07:39 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:07:39 -0800
Subject: Paying Tomasz Wasilczyk for security improvements
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That's 4 out of 7 votes in favor, so it passed!

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From mark at kingant.net  Tue Mar  5 01:54:28 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 22:54:28 -0800
Subject: Paying Tomasz Wasilczyk for security improvements
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On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Tomasz Wasilczyk
<tomkiewicz.groups at gmail.com> wrote:
> We (I mean, me and someone from Google) clarified some aspects of this
> agreement. At first, Google won't direct the work - it's up to IMF to
> decide, what is important in the context of improving security. Still,
> they will be happy to discuss or advise on the work. I think it will
> be kind, if I will address every issue they point out at first place.

I think the next step is for us to determine an appropriate list of
tasks for you to work on.  The only one on my list is:
- Evaluate current master-password branch, merge in changes from main,
finish anything that needs finishing, merge into main.  (I'd prefer
these changes not go into 2.x.y... but it's certainly open for
discussion if people think that's a good idea.)

Anyone else have any security-related bug fixes or improvements they
would like to see?

> I wish there would be any primary contact person from IMF for this
> work. He could quickly decide, if certain task fits into scope of
> whole security-related work. Also, he could assign me to any task that
> have to be done on this topic. But this is only my wish and I can cope
> without it.

I think this is a good idea.  And I'm willing to be your contact
person.  I'm a Google employee though, so there is a little conflict
of interest.  If people care about this and Ethan or John want to be
the contact person instead, that's totally cool with me.


From me at thijsalkema.de  Tue Mar  5 05:12:26 2013
From: me at thijsalkema.de (Thijs Alkemade)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:12:26 +0100
Subject: Paying Tomasz Wasilczyk for security improvements
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On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 10:54:28PM -0800, Mark Doliner wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Tomasz Wasilczyk
> <tomkiewicz.groups at gmail.com> wrote:
> > We (I mean, me and someone from Google) clarified some aspects of this
> > agreement. At first, Google won't direct the work - it's up to IMF to
> > decide, what is important in the context of improving security. Still,
> > they will be happy to discuss or advise on the work. I think it will
> > be kind, if I will address every issue they point out at first place.
> 
> I think the next step is for us to determine an appropriate list of
> tasks for you to work on.  The only one on my list is:
> - Evaluate current master-password branch, merge in changes from main,
> finish anything that needs finishing, merge into main.  (I'd prefer
> these changes not go into 2.x.y... but it's certainly open for
> discussion if people think that's a good idea.)
> 
> Anyone else have any security-related bug fixes or improvements they
> would like to see?

If I may do a suggestion: Lucas Fisher's ssl_client_auth branch has been 
awaiting review for a long time and is very much related to improving 
security. It might even have some overlap with the master-password branch 
(it adds a certificate and key store).

Thijs
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From elb at pidgin.im  Tue Mar  5 09:11:04 2013
From: elb at pidgin.im (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:11:04 -0500
Subject: Paying Tomasz Wasilczyk for security improvements
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Mark Doliner spake unto us the following wisdom:
> I think this is a good idea.  And I'm willing to be your contact
> person.  I'm a Google employee though, so there is a little conflict
> of interest.  If people care about this and Ethan or John want to be
> the contact person instead, that's totally cool with me.

I have no problem with you handling this, Mark.  If any problem does
arise, I would also be willing to take on this role -- but my time is
pretty well over-subscribed at the moment, which may impact the
process some.

Ethan
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From tomkiewicz.groups at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 11:14:18 2013
From: tomkiewicz.groups at gmail.com (Tomasz Wasilczyk)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 17:14:18 +0100
Subject: Paying Tomasz Wasilczyk for security improvements
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2013/3/5 Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net>:
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Tomasz Wasilczyk
> <tomkiewicz.groups at gmail.com> wrote:
>> We (I mean, me and someone from Google) clarified some aspects of this
>> agreement. At first, Google won't direct the work - it's up to IMF to
>> decide, what is important in the context of improving security. Still,
>> they will be happy to discuss or advise on the work. I think it will
>> be kind, if I will address every issue they point out at first place.
>
> I think the next step is for us to determine an appropriate list of
> tasks for you to work on.  The only one on my list is:
> - Evaluate current master-password branch, merge in changes from main,
> finish anything that needs finishing, merge into main.  (I'd prefer
> these changes not go into 2.x.y... but it's certainly open for
> discussion if people think that's a good idea.)

I don't think, there is a need to make an effort to prepare a more
complete list - I think this task plus a spreadsheet (I saw, that you
have access to it too) from Google is a good candidate to start from.
Completing half of these will take enough time, so new tasks will come
up.

Tomek


From rekkanoryo at pidgin.im  Sat Mar 16 23:25:58 2013
From: rekkanoryo at pidgin.im (John Bailey)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 23:25:58 -0400
Subject: Paying Tomasz Wasilczyk for security improvements
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On 03/04/2013 12:07 AM, Mark Doliner wrote:
> That's 4 out of 7 votes in favor, so it passed!

Sorry I missed the boat on this, guys.  I thought Thunderbird was checking my
pidgin.im mail when in fact it was not, so I missed every e-mail in this thread
until today.  My vote would have been "yes" had I made it in time.

John

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From rekkanoryo at pidgin.im  Sat Mar 16 23:31:06 2013
From: rekkanoryo at pidgin.im (John Bailey)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 23:31:06 -0400
Subject: Meeting soon?
Message-ID: <514538FA.5020705@pidgin.im>

Hey, guys,

Historically we seem to have preferred the month of April for our annual board
meeting.  We're getting closer to that time of the year again, so it's probably
a good idea to start trying to schedule that meeting.

I am available any day in April except April 10.  April 15 or 16 work best for
me, as I have those days off from work and wouldn't be held up or interrupted,
but I can make any other day except the 10th work.

What does everyone else think?  Also, I assume we'd like to continue the use of
a conference bridge to have a call-in meeting instead of the mess we've done
before in the boardroom at conference.pidgin.im XMPP MUC?

John

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From evan at adium.im  Sun Mar 17 14:26:16 2013
From: evan at adium.im (=?utf-8?Q?Evan_D._Schoenberg=2C_M.D.?=)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:26:16 -0500
Subject: Meeting soon?
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On Saturday, March 16, 2013 at 10:31 PM, John Bailey wrote:

> Hey, guys,
> 
> Historically we seem to have preferred the month of April for our annual board
> meeting. We're getting closer to that time of the year again, so it's probably
> a good idea to start trying to schedule that meeting.
> 
> I am available any day in April except April 10. April 15 or 16 work best for
> me, as I have those days off from work and wouldn't be held up or interrupted,
> but I can make any other day except the 10th work.
> 
> What does everyone else think?
Either 4/15 or 4/16, at or after 5:30 PM CDT, would work for me. 
> Also, I assume we'd like to continue the use of
> a conference bridge to have a call-in meeting instead of the mess we've done
> before in the boardroom at conference.pidgin.im (mailto:boardroom at conference.pidgin.im) XMPP MUC?
> 
> 
> 


Agreed!

-Evan
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From lschiere at pidgin.im  Sun Mar 17 15:12:46 2013
From: lschiere at pidgin.im (Luke Schierer)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:12:46 -0400
Subject: Meeting soon?
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On Mar 17, 2013, at 14:26 EDT, "Evan D. Schoenberg, M.D." <evan at adium.im> wrote:

> 
> On Saturday, March 16, 2013 at 10:31 PM, John Bailey wrote:
> 
>> Hey, guys,
>> 
>> Historically we seem to have preferred the month of April for our annual board
>> meeting. We're getting closer to that time of the year again, so it's probably
>> a good idea to start trying to schedule that meeting.
>> 
>> I am available any day in April except April 10. April 15 or 16 work best for
>> me, as I have those days off from work and wouldn't be held up or interrupted,
>> but I can make any other day except the 10th work.
>> 
>> What does everyone else think?
> Either 4/15 or 4/16, at or after 5:30 PM CDT, would work for me. 
>> Also, I assume we'd like to continue the use of
>> a conference bridge to have a call-in meeting instead of the mess we've done
>> before in the boardroom at conference.pidgin.im XMPP MUC?
> 
> Agreed!

I cannot do Tuesdays in general, nor can I do the 5th or 10th. 

Luke

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From evan at adium.im  Sun Mar 17 21:09:33 2013
From: evan at adium.im (=?utf-8?Q?Evan_D._Schoenberg=2C_M.D.?=)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:09:33 -0500
Subject: Meeting soon?
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On Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Luke Schierer wrote:

> On Mar 17, 2013, at 14:26 EDT, "Evan D. Schoenberg, M.D." <evan at adium.im (mailto:evan at adium.im)> wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 16, 2013 at 10:31 PM, John Bailey wrote:
> > > I am available any day in April except April 10. April 15 or 16 work best for
> > > me, as I have those days off from work and wouldn't be held up or interrupted,
> > > but I can make any other day except the 10th work.
> > >  
> > > What does everyone else think?
> > Either 4/15 or 4/16, at or after 5:30 PM CDT, would work for me.
>  
>  
> I cannot do Tuesdays in general, nor can I do the 5th or 10th.  
>  

So far we have Monday 4/15 at or after 5:30 PM as the intersection of John, Luke, and myself.  Sean, Mark, Ethan, and Mark?, would that work fro you?

-Evan
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From mark at kingant.net  Sun Mar 17 21:11:29 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:11:29 -0700
Subject: Meeting soon?
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On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Evan D. Schoenberg, M.D. <evan at adium.im> wrote:
> So far we have Monday 4/15 at or after 5:30 PM as the intersection of John,
> Luke, and myself.  Sean, Mark, Ethan, and Mark?, would that work fro you?

Yes, that works for me.

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From elb at pidgin.im  Sun Mar 17 23:35:23 2013
From: elb at pidgin.im (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:35:23 -0400
Subject: Meeting soon?
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Mark Doliner spake unto us the following wisdom:
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Evan D. Schoenberg, M.D. <evan at adium.im> wrote:
> > So far we have Monday 4/15 at or after 5:30 PM as the intersection of John,
> > Luke, and myself.  Sean, Mark, Ethan, and Mark?, would that work fro you?
> 
> Yes, that works for me.

That probably works for me; 5:30 EST on the nose may be a bit touchy.
If I cannot make it, however, I can certainly submit the treasurer's
report in writing ahead of time.

Ethan

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From evan at adium.im  Sun Mar 17 23:38:17 2013
From: evan at adium.im (=?utf-8?Q?Evan_D._Schoenberg=2C_M.D.?=)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:38:17 -0500
Subject: Meeting soon?
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On Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Ethan Blanton wrote:

> Mark Doliner spake unto us the following wisdom:
>  
>  
>  
> > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Evan D. Schoenberg, M.D. <evan at adium.im (mailto:evan at adium.im)> wrote:
> > > So far we have Monday 4/15 at or after 5:30 PM as the intersection of John,
> > > Luke, and myself. Sean, Mark, Ethan, and Mark?, would that work fro you?
> > >  
> >  
> >  
> > Yes, that works for me.
>  
> That probably works for me; 5:30 EST on the nose may be a bit touchy.
> If I cannot make it, however, I can certainly submit the treasurer's
> report in writing ahead of time.
>  
I apologize; I failed to include the time zone in my summary.  

I'm not available until 5:30 CDT, which would be 6:30 EDT.  Later in the evening is fine for me, too, and neither Luke nor John indicated a time preference.

-Evan
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From mark at kingant.net  Mon Mar 18 00:30:48 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 21:30:48 -0700
Subject: Meeting soon?
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On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Evan D. Schoenberg, M.D. <evan at adium.im> wrote:
> I'm not available until 5:30 CDT, which would be 6:30 EDT.  Later in the
> evening is fine for me, too, and neither Luke nor John indicated a time
> preference.

6:30pm EDT on Mon Apr 15 works for me.  That's equivalent to 22:30
GMT/UTC and 15:30 PDT.

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From mark at kingant.net  Tue Mar 19 16:29:24 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 13:29:24 -0700
Subject: Meeting soon?
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(mostly just replying so you can see Masca's question, since he's
currently not allowed to post to the board mailing list)

Masca asked if it's possible to record this call.  I think that would
be nice to have.  We could maybe consider using Google Hangouts On
Air.  I haven't used it before, but I _think_ it would allow us to
voice (and optionally video and text) chat, broadcast the meeting to
anyone who wants to watch it live, and also record it for playback at
any time in the future.  Just throwing that out there.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Jorge Villase?or <salinasv at gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you know if there is a way to record the call?

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From lschiere at pidgin.im  Tue Mar 19 20:36:13 2013
From: lschiere at pidgin.im (Luke Schierer)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:36:13 -0400
Subject: Meeting soon?
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I would like to remind everyone that a discussion list was set up, that non-board members can post to.

Luke

On Mar 19, 2013, at 16:29 EDT, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:

> (mostly just replying so you can see Masca's question, since he's
> currently not allowed to post to the board mailing list)
> 
> Masca asked if it's possible to record this call.  I think that would
> be nice to have.  We could maybe consider using Google Hangouts On
> Air.  I haven't used it before, but I _think_ it would allow us to
> voice (and optionally video and text) chat, broadcast the meeting to
> anyone who wants to watch it live, and also record it for playback at
> any time in the future.  Just throwing that out there.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Jorge Villase?or <salinasv at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Do you know if there is a way to record the call?
> 
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From mark at kingant.net  Tue Mar 19 20:38:47 2013
From: mark at kingant.net (Mark Doliner)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:38:47 -0700
Subject: Meeting soon?
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On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Luke Schierer <lschiere at pidgin.im> wrote:
> I would like to remind everyone that a discussion list was set up, that non-board members can post to.

I'm curious... do people think it's useful to have two separate
mailing lists?  It might be simpler if we have a single discussion
mailing list that we also use for general board discussion, planning,
and voting.

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From lschiere at pidgin.im  Tue Mar 19 20:45:07 2013
From: lschiere at pidgin.im (Luke Schierer)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:45:07 -0400
Subject: Meeting soon?
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On Mar 19, 2013, at 20:38 EDT, Mark Doliner <mark at kingant.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Luke Schierer <lschiere at pidgin.im> wrote:
>> I would like to remind everyone that a discussion list was set up, that non-board members can post to.
> 
> I'm curious... do people think it's useful to have two separate
> mailing lists?  It might be simpler if we have a single discussion
> mailing list that we also use for general board discussion, planning,
> and voting.

We obviously though it useful at one point, but I cannot remember why. 

Luke

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From elb at pidgin.im  Tue Mar 19 21:19:44 2013
From: elb at pidgin.im (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:19:44 -0400
Subject: Meeting soon?
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Luke Schierer spake unto us the following wisdom:
> We obviously though it useful at one point, but I cannot remember why. 

I think the idea is that board@ is more the official record of actions
of the board, and used only for things like this -- scheduling
meetings, taking votes, etc.  discussion@ is for anything that has
anything at all to do with IMF's mission.

That said, I have no strong feelings that this division is either
helpful or hurtful.

Ethan

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