From where is that screenshot?

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Ah

interesting, I just upgraded and kernel 6.8 is gone. Looks like I'm still on 6.6

Hm I'm still on 6.8 ... are you on Debian Testing or something fresher?

I'm on sid

Ah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k

Interesting... I wonder if they're going to make it easily embeddable...

wow nice

_acts surpised... https://medium.com/@austin-starks/i-spent-18-months-rebuilding-my-algorithmic-trading-in-rust-im-filled-with-regret-d300dcc147e0_

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imagine not using python for algo :p

imagine using rust for anything..

or heck, mojo

seems good for cli/tui

does it though..?

so far of what I've experienced, yes. But at same time, could had been written in C or Go

it seems to me that the TCO of rust is just whisked away by the promise of speed and safety

I think my most used Rust software is Bat.

haha

i think it goes same category as something like httpie

well i mean what else did cat need?

stuff like this which is nice, just more convinient.., on my local machine, I also have PAcketSender and Hoppscotch

okay, but again, i'd just use a rest client there, which is looks like httpie is, which is fine. I'm more curious what bat brings to the table over cat..

mostly syntax highlightning, line rows, highlight non-printable chars

highlighting would require another command in the pipeline, line numbers are handled via -n, -v to "show" non-printing

Hi guys, this chat looks a lot more active

more active then where?

Pidgin Dev Conference or Pidgin IRC

i don't see any messages in either of those... but go ahead

I have been using it between me and my friends for sometime but recently I decided to expand its user base, specifically because I was hoping others can make use of it just as much as my friends/I have enjoyed it

oh that was 20 minutes ago.. sorry at work and hadn't checked it in a minute 😄

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Just want to know that I am in the right direction as far as notarization for the plugins go

Oh its totally OK! Sorry for causing a scene >.>

as for getting it added to the list, you can either pull request it, or I can do it.

As far as the pidgin plugins directory I mean in the C:\Program Files (x86)\Pidgin\Plugins directory as when I install Pidgin, there is some other plugins there by default. Just so it wont be difficult for users to find my plugin

I dont have my plugin on github, so far I created a somewhat open repository/page for some other useful plugins that I found/used on my own, but as well as for others to potentially contribute to. I also listed my plugin on that website

pidgin 2 is feature frozen, but even then we're trying to get out of accepting 3rd party plugins in the main tree. Maintaining plugins we don't use because eventually we lose the ability to test/maintain it and all we get are grumpy users.

Oh! Well, I would like to maintain my plugin until the end of my days ... mainly because a group of people from my startup/work use Pidgin as a sort of "slack alternative" and this plugin has really helped us to get work done

understandable, but as I stated pidgin 2 is feature frozen which means we aren't accepting any new features in it

As such it supports Debian/Fedora (X11/Wayland) and Windows (UWP/MetroUI/GDI)

there's more information on the feature freeze here https://dev.to/grim/pidgin-2s-maintenance-mode-1eek

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Oh that's totally OK! Sorry for getting you to repeat yourself. Well, even if I could somehow get it onto the pidgin plugins page, that would be really cool too!

we're not on github either, and we use mercurial not git, so you'll need some pointers..

Oh!

You'll want to see https://docs.imfreedom.org/contributors-guide/code_contributions/ and the repository is https://keep.imfreedom.org/pidgin/nest/

I'll give those a gander right now. Thank you SOOO MUCH Grim, for all your wonderful assistance 😄

Glad I could help, if you have any other questions feel free 🙂

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Also, does Pidgin accept bitcoin donations? I wouldnt mind donating, your assistance was so helpful

sorry we don't currently accept any cryptocurrency donations

Oh, I am curious. How can you upkeep/provide constant updates to Pidgin without some source of funding? If there will be any way to donate in the future, I would love to help! My startup/work has been made very easy thanks to the amazing usability of Pidgin

most open source projects are not funded and driving my people who just want to build the thing.

Also, with regards to making a pull request via Mercurial. Is it this section "Creating a New Review Request" that I should be looking into?

as for donations, pidgin is under a non-profit named instant messaging freedom, imfreedom can accept donations on pidgin's behalf, but we don't accept cryptocurrencies for various reasons. https://imfreedom.org/donate/

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Oh, I was under the impression (most of the OSS projects which I personally follow/contributed to) have a donations standard since theyre community driven

The list on the site is just an index to the plugins. There shouldn't be any files.

Oh! So I am having a hard time to understand, how can I submit my plugin to the plugins list on pidgin.im, since I should provide the URL to my plugin, the Type/Info/Maintainer info ?

Pidgin.im/plugins is built via a json file. You just need to update https://keep.imfreedom.org/pidgin/nest/file/tip/hugo/data/plugins.json to add entries for your plugin.

Copy that, so I just commit that single file, correct?

Yeah and then create a review request.

Got it! Thank you

well that was uneventful so far

well nothing is working stream wise.. going to update and then reboot i guess

me noticing matrix is down: shrugs decides to look at mastodon mastodon:

surprised i'm just seeing this now, but yikes... https://www.debian.org/News/2024/20240606

Damn, those COBOL IDE's look like a pre-lotus123/excel spreadsheet. no wonder biz-people liked it

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Yep. Back in those days you literally wrote code, your boss reviewed it, then it got sent down to a team of women who would key it in.

https://thehackernews.com/2024/07/twilios-authy-app-breach-exposes.html

oh, joy

I wonder if that's the reason I get a lot of telegram spam lately.

I've been getting sms spasm from other countries for a few weeks now, so maybe?

@grim Hey bro! Are you online? Remember I asked about uploading my screensharing plugin to the pidgin.im/plugins repository? Well, I am doing it now. Would the type for this kind of plugin be better as "security and privacy" or "miscellaneous" ?

i would probably say miscellaneous as if anything it's probably the opposite of security and privacy as it allows others to view your screen. even if you explicitly shared it with them, there's still a chance you might accidentally share something you didn't intend to

Thanks for your answer. The only reason I would say its privacy focused is because I have this part in the code https://pad.riseup.net/p/DpJgtLo6aS516W81v2pq-tmp which is considered for both the viewer and screensharer using libotr. So the screenshare packets are never sent in cleartext

Would these considerations change your assumption, or is it better to still label it as miscellaneous ?

no, any time you're sharing your screen you run the risk of not closing something that you don't want to share or a program outputting personally identifiable information

Thats why I made this interface, one moment

case in point, i accidentally leaked my ipv6 while streaming the other night because i forgot to close a terminal that had http traffic logs in it..

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This way you can strictly select the Window (or the entire screen) which you wish to share & it won't capture any other window except the one you selected!

using otr to avoid network snooping is great, but it doesn't stop you from accidentally sharing private details with the other parties

I totally understand what you mean, but in this regard, you'd only share specifically the window that YOU want to share, not the entire screen. In later versions I will add the crop-share ability too

They'll get an alert before starting to share it

in your screen shot, say you were trying to share program manager, but accidentally shared signal instead and say signal has an open conversation with some details you didn't meant to share...

If the user is alert via gtk_messagebox , is that fair to say they'll consider it twice?

i understand what you're saying, but people make mistakes all the time and you can't code around them

Hm! Your suggestions REALLY make me want to come up with something to work around that

but more to the point, using an encrypted transport doesn't make something security or privacy focused.

I'll add that to my TODO

I appreciate it

if that were the case, then every web site using let's encrypted would be considered secure and privacy focused which isn't the case at all

Thank you Grim! I really appreciate your input & time your taking to write your messages ❤️

Yeah true, especially with the bit/key-standards just going up & up over the years as quantum computing evolves aha

well quantum computing doesn't really exist yet, so that's not really an issue, but binary compute is getting much better at being able to compute values MUCH faster. also theirs always side channel attacks. but we're getting off track her

Only in government ... but theyre the sneakest ones

Plus we never know what China has up their sleeves

heartbleed was bad, but there's been tons of other similar vulnerabilities throughout the years in security focused applications as well

Agreed!

And now they have the new AI-based processors

nah not even just in government, for a few 10,000 USD you can quickly spin up stuff in any cloud provider to crack password very quickly

who knows how far that can go

AI isn't trustworthy in any regard

Agreed, with enough GPUs you can pretty much get anything done

But in 10-15 years

anyways, the point is, your plugin should go into miscellaneous unless we maybe wanted to create a new category, maybe something like sharing ?

Interesting! What would the sharing category entail? But I wouldnt want to be the reason you spin-up a whole a new category ... I am sure you have enough on your plate already

Ahaha! OK 😉 I know its a conversation that will never end

adding a category is minimal..

By the way

I learned that I would go through a sponsor to get my package published -- would you be able to add your 2 cents, or is that the gist of it ?

we'd probably dump at least these plugins into a sharing category, i didn't go through the whole list Instant messaging Remote Access Instant messaging NetCat Port Forwarding * Instant messaging Virtual Terminal

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I know you have sudo apt install pidgin so, I thought you'd know more

Oh interesting! So its more about things you'd be able to actually interact with on the other parties side

I'm not a debian developer so I can't sponsor new maintainers. Likewise, I have no direct affiliation fedora

Oh, no I didn't want to make any gesture in that sense. I was just curious if you knew anything since pidgin is on the apt-get/yum repos

I think its not such a bad idea!

The distributions decide what to package, but until recently I wan't involved with our debian package at all, but even then, I'm not even technically a full debian maintainer. I did the mentorship a long time ago but never officially finished it.

Oh! The mentorship is a long process? Not something like a code-review, I would have to wait a few weeks/months to complete it?

for debian you could become a maintainer, but there's a lot of work involved https://mentors.debian.net/. That said it might be easier to just request it get packaged https://wiki.debian.org/RFP

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I will look into that RFP link now, thank you so much Grim! You're amazing

the end of the mentorship had a step at the end where you had to meet a debian developer in person and have them sign your pgp key. I'm not sure if that's still a requirement or not

You're welcome, in the mean time I need to get back to work 🙂

Yes please! Likewise 🙂 I really didn't mean to bother you/your precious time. Thank you dearly for all your help thus far ❤️

Oh no way!!! That's actually kind of cool, wouldn't mind to talk to a fellow developer over a cup of coffee or something, but I seriously doubt theres any debian developers where I live, ahaha

@grim I made the code review request, if you could kindly look it over when you have time & let me know the next steps, I will appreciate it! Again, thank you very much for all your help

you need to review the rest of it and publish it on the website. right now it's not showing a patch (your changes)

Oh, sorry, do you mean "publish draft"?

yes

I will do that now, thank you

reviews aren't able to be reviewed until they're published

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Done!

Thank you for being clear, I haven't used this platform before, so I was not aware

yep no worries 😉

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Will I be able to use my "review board" account on imfreedom to receive feedback/reviews from users of my plugin?

Also @grim can you tell me approximately how long I should expect before the review is commited to the main branch?

I'm at work right now, I am the primary reviewer/person that merges the code. In other words, when I have some free time.

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Feedback for third party plugins and stuff is typically handle where ever your plugin is hosted. That said, we do have a plugins category on our discourse for people to discuss as well, but please note that discourse is pretty low traffic as it replaced our mailing lists that were also low traffic https://discourse.imfreedom.org/c/plugins/10

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That's fair, thank you for the update! I was just curious about the process. Sorry to bother you at work!

I suppose we probably should add some notes about that to the contributors guide..

Is it allowed for me to advertise this channel or development channel as a place for them to get in touch with me or provide feedback directly to me via my discord account?

I mean sure, but you've seen how active it is here (not very) and people would have seen it already because of that 🙂

Aha! Yeah, but its never too late to revive the community. Don't you think? I mean plus, I think there's plenty of valuable information/advice they can receive if they find this server -- just as I have! 🙂

we have a billion things to do, and until we get an alpha of pidgin 3 out reviving the community is going to be premature

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I mean, I'm actually quite surprised that this community isn't more active. Considering pidgin is getting 7000 downloads per week

i mean we're active everywhere. you waited less than 10 minutes on irc/xmpp before joining here and i just happen to have sound notifications on (accidentally) for discord

Speaking of! When's the expected release date for Pidgin v3? I have been reading about it forever

> we have a billion things to do

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My apologies! I was so excited to see how active this widespread the Pidgin community is (compared to the PSI+ one , hehe)

see also https://dev.to/grim/whats-taking-so-long-with-pidgin-3-1g6i, https://dev.to/grim/what-were-targeting-with-pidgin-300-alpha1-2fci, and https://dev.to/grim/a-narrowing-of-focus-2d3i

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I can only imagine ..

Oh nice!

no tmux for me

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well, restarted network manually. Somehow Ethernet was active and everything, but no ethernet connected, so I had some connections being fine others failed

this is a bare metal machine, vm, or wsl?

IOT device.

so bare metal

yes. But I wonder how many other code bases uses just 8.8.8.8 to check internet

i assume you've pinged 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1 already, can you do dns lookups via those servers?

yeah, it supports ipv6 by automatic, but when setting device to static/manual, it's just ipv4.

because ai is garbage... I feel like i've been pretty consistent in that assement 🙂

Well things are coming along pretty well. Tho this dev screen is 10” which in real use case will be 5.5” screen.

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Ubiquity, Fing, a lot others. I specifically block googledns so I can track them.

I joined all the PDFs from the lzh files (in hopefully the right order); much easier to search through everything

oops, flip the 1/-1 for sign in decode_coord

Monday mornings...

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These look interesting... https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/07/08/20-nanokvm-is-a-tiny-low-power-risc-v-kvm-over-ip-solution/

damn, I got chromium-browser to freeze whole linux desktop. Everything was stalled like 1-2 minutes. terminal didn't say anything either other than normal issue output of "close object: Invalid argument" or "could not open /dev/video10: No such file or directory (2)" whatever that means.

Hey! Did anyone get the chance to try out my screenshare plugin yet?

I guess I get to learn k8s now at work. Yep I’ve become the jack of all trades at work lol.

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Playing with talos at home is a good way to get up to speed too rather than clouding hosting.

ssh rce round two... this is in the unprivileged child process https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2024-6409

that looks like the same fixed package version as the last one

Thanks.

oh is it, i didn't notice

yeah, it is